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Title: U.S. Will Require Drones to Be Registered
Source: NBC News
URL Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news ... e-drones-be-registered-n446266
Published: Oct 17, 2015
Author: Tom Costello
Post Date: 2015-10-17 09:56:31 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 3015
Comments: 31

The federal government will announce a new plan requiring anyone buying a drone to register the device with the U.S. Department of Transportation, NBC news has learned.

The government has been concerned about the rise in close calls between unmanned drones and aircraft flying into and out of some of the nation's biggest airports. The plan is expected to be announced Monday.

In July, there was a dangerously close encounter between a drone and a passenger jet with 159 people aboard setting up to land at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.

The unmanned aerial vehicle was just 100 feet away from the passenger jet at an altitude of 1,700 feet; normal safe separation distance is between aircraft is at least 1,000 feet.

Private drones were also blamed for hampering aerial firefighting efforts over a California blaze in July.

Firefighting aircraft trying to attack the fast-moving blaze in the Cajon Pass had to leave the area for around 20 minutes over safety concerns, officials said. The fire swept over a busy freeway and torched 20 vehicles.

Under the plan, the government would work with the drone industry to set up a structure for registering the drones, and the regulations could be in place by Christmas.

Last week, the Federal Aviation Administration proposed a $1.9 million fine against Chicago drone company SkyPan, which was alleged to have flown dozens of unauthorized flights over Chicago and New York since 2012.


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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

The pilot has an obvious fear of heights. Interesting machine though.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-10-17   10:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#0)

The unmanned aerial vehicle was just 100 feet away from the passenger jet at an altitude of 1,700 feet;

That is impressive! I did know they could go more than a few hundred feet high. I thought the communications systems on these were not more than a few hundred feet? Line of sight is what I was told.

I believe at this time its still much to do about nothing. Once febel government gets their nasty fingers on something its ruined beyond repair. All you have to do is look at SS and health care. They messed with health care and now it takes a weeks pay every month and when you do you use it it may still bankrupt a person with copay's just because febel government got involved!

Justified  posted on  2015-10-17   10:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#0)

U.S. Will Require Drones to Be Registered

drone
[drohn]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1. the male of the honeybee and other bees, stingless and making no honey.
2. an unmanned aircraft or ship that can navigate autonomously, without human control or beyond line of sight: the GPS of a U.S. spy drone. (loosely) any unmanned aircraft or ship that is guided remotely: a radio-controlled drone.
3. a person who lives on the labor of others; parasitic loafer.
4. a drudge.

I'm all for it. Let's start with the members of the democrat party

"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD . . . "

~Psalm 33:12a

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-10-17   10:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Justified (#2)

I did know they could go more than a few hundred feet high. I thought the communications systems on these were not more than a few hundred feet? Line of sight is what I was told.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-17   10:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

The federal government will announce a new plan requiring anyone buying a drone to register the device with the U.S. Department of Transportation, NBC news has learned.

What are they going to do if they catch a drone flying around in a "no drone" area,take the owners pilot license away?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-17   14:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz (#1)

The pilot has an obvious fear of heights. Interesting machine though.

Seeing as how he is getting blown around by the wind and can't control where he is heading,who can blame him?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-17   14:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Justified (#2) (Edited)

I thought the communications systems on these were not more than a few hundred feet? Line of sight is what I was told.

Can't you see the moon at night?

Line of sight goes a very long ways when you are looking up.

I believe at this time its still much to do about nothing.

I don't. I see this as a VERY big deal that is going to do more than the internet to remove the last traces of privacy we used to enjoy. Your neighbors are going to spy on you,and so is the government.

If I had my way,there would be a federal law passed banning anyone,INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF, from possessing a drone or any other form of aircraft that can perform like a drone.

The military would be the obvious exception,but even then the drone use should be restricted to the confines of a military reservation or for deployments to other countries.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-17   14:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7) (Edited)

If I had my way,there would be a federal law passed banning anyone,INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF, from possessing a drone or any other form of aircraft that can perform like a drone.

Drones have a myriad of uses besides spying.

They are useful in searching for lost hikers and/or mountain climbers.

We use one where I work as a traffic/weather cam.

A lot of photographers use them for aerial photos - much easier and cheaper than chartering a plane or chopper.

Their usefulness is only as limited as your imagination.

It surprises me to hear you say "there oughta be a law" simply because sometimes they are misused.

As far as the federal government requiring them to be registered - they can FOAD.

They want these registered for when TSHTF they'll know where they all are.

Yeah, that's right - drones can also be used to ferret out enemy government positions and can also be armed and used as an offensive weapon.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

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Deckard  posted on  2015-10-17   15:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#8)

It surprises me to hear you say "there oughta be a law" simply because sometimes they are misused.

As far as the federal government requiring them to be registered - they can FOAD.

No,I am saying that because of the CERTAINTY they will be misused.

You can bet your bippy that some of the photographers that find them "useful" will be perves checking to see if your wife or daughter are sunbathing nekkid in your fenced in back yard,and others will work for the city or county,and will be looking for cars with no tags,home improvements there are no building permits for,etc,etc,etc.

Truth to tell,I suspect the "neekid sunbather photos" are going to be used as an excuse by the government to ban ownership and operation of drones by private individuals,and then the government will be the only ones able to misuse them.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-17   20:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#9)

You can bet your bippy that some of the photographers that find them "useful" will be perves

Then deal with them when that happens.

A complete ban on drones is ridiculous.

It's the same argument the gun grabbers use.

...others will work for the city or county,and will be looking for cars with no tags,home improvements there are no building permits for,etc,etc,etc.

I have no doubt that is already happening in some areas.

Truth to tell,I suspect the "neekid sunbather photos" are going to be used as an excuse by the government to ban ownership and operation of drones by private individuals,and then the government will be the only ones able to misuse them.

Which is my original point - why would you want the government to be the only ones "allowed" to own and fly drones?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-17   21:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#10) (Edited)

A complete ban on drones is ridiculous.

It's the same argument the gun grabbers use.

Really? Has anyone ever used a drone to defend the country?

How about for self-defense or the defense of others?

They are nothing but SPY MACHINES,used to violate your privacy.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-17   22:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#11)

They are nothing but SPY MACHINES,used to violate your privacy.

Yes and No.

I understand your paranoia which I often share.

I've seen the utility of drones for other things - search and rescue, traffic reports, even saw something on TV where they could get life preservers out to struggling swimmers faster than life guards...etc.

I don't want one nor need one, but there are more positive uses for them...and the MSM will cram that angle down our throats...and ignore the intrusion/spying aspect of them.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-10-17   22:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#11)

Really? Has anyone ever used a drone to defend the country?

If you call using drones in Arab countries to kill innocent brown people "defending the country".

How about for self-defense or the defense of others?

My point is that they CAN be used for home self-defense. Why not use one to keep an eye on the perimeter of your property?

They are nothing but SPY MACHINES,used to violate your privacy.

As has been pointed out already, that is not their only use. I see your point here Pete - but banning ALL drones from private citizen use is not the answer.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-17   22:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#10)

Dealing with them when violated is the same argument used by people who want to legalize illegal drugs.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-18   7:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete, Deckard, Fred Mertz (#11)

At one time UPS was talking about using them to deliver packages, am not sure if that is still in the works or not. But you can see just as well as I can what can of worms that would open up when the bad guys start using them to deliver bombs instead of bras and panties...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-10-18   8:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: CZ82 (#15)

But you can see just as well as I can what can of worms that would open up when the bad guys start using them to deliver bombs instead of bras and panties...

You can count on it. Risk-free murder done by remote control.

What is going to be the most common crime is your neighbors and others spying on you. Don't be surprised to look out your 2nd story or even 50th floor apartment bedroom window one day,and see a drone with a camera hovering right outside the glass.

Expect thieves to use them to case homes and businesses for burglary purposes. They can hover right outside of windows and record everything they see,including where your alarm points are so they know how to disarm them.

BUT.....,as always,the biggest threat to invasion of privacy is our own governments from local to feral.

Trust me,if I see any hovering around my property,it is going to get shot down. I have the luxury of not living in a city where you can't shoot without endangering your neighbors,though. Or be arrested for just having a gun.

Speaking of guns,wanna bet that anti-gun cities like NYC won't be using drones to record license plate numbers of cars parked in the parking lots of shooting ranges,and even recording images of the people getting out of the cars and the firearms they carry inside?

Or on outdoor ranges actually hovering over the range and recording people shooting and then having the cops compare the names of the people shooting with the names of the people who have been officially "approved" to own weapons and comparing the weapons they where recorded shooting with the weapons recording on their list of "approved" weapons they have a permit to possess?

NO law enforcement agency should EVER be allowed to operate drones without a judge signing off on a aerial search warrant UNLESS it is some sort of "search and rescue" operation,and even then a requirement should be to submit to a judge the projected flight plan and the purpose of the flight.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   8:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#16)

Most states have already passed legislature on usage of drones...

http://www.governing.com/topics/public-justice-safety/states-rush-to-regulate-drones-ahead-of-federal-guidelines2.html

In fact they were the first ones to do so and now the Feds see the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon and issue further restrictions...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-10-18   8:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#16)

The best use I can see for them in this country is for border security duties/applications.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-10-18   9:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#7)

I thought the communications systems on these were not more than a few hundred feet? Line of sight is what I was told.

Can't you see the moon at night?

Most I have seen are a few hundred feet or line of sight. THem things are small. Just like trying to keep an eye on a bird.

You get big enough to have real power and then you get out the range of a normal person price range for a drone.

I guess I know government and they look for an excuse to regulate even if there isn't a reason. Don't let a tragedy go to waste!

If I had my way,there would be a federal law passed banning anyone,INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF, from possessing a drone or any other form of aircraft that can perform like a drone.

You know thats not how it works. Government bans it from the citizens and abuses it themselves. Just look at guns, prostitution and drugs. All are banned in some form but government is a wash in the banned objects.

BTW I do see in the future a problem but I hate letting the worst group deal with it.

Justified  posted on  2015-10-18   10:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: CZ82 (#18)

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

I knew there was something off about those "humanitarians"

In exchange to serve man!

Justified  posted on  2015-10-18   10:16:42 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#16)

BUT.....,as always,the biggest threat to invasion of privacy is our own governments from local to feral.

Them dang revenuers looking for your still just might find it with a drone Snuffy.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-18   10:43:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: CZ82 (#18)

The best use I can see for them in this country is for border security duties/applications.

I can see where they would be a huge advantage for search and rescue operations in rural areas.

I do NOT want to see any branch of the government use them for spying on citizens without first getting a warrant,though.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   14:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete, CZ82 (#22)

The best use I can see for them in this country is for border security duties/applications.

Mexico Drug Trafficking: Drone Carries 28 Pounds of Heroin Across Border To US

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-18   14:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#22)

I do NOT want to see any branch of the government use them for spying on citizens without first getting a warrant, though.

I don't blame you in the least and quite a few people feel the same way as you, I know I do.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that their usage will increase exponentially especially in the bigger cities, with/without warrants... In a way it's poetic justice because those people that will be under the most scrutiny are the ones who believe all the lies and voted the dumb bastards into office in the first place...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-10-18   14:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: CZ82 (#24)

But I have a sneaking suspicion that their usage will increase exponentially especially in the bigger cities, with/without warrants..

I see it as an absolute certainty. You can bet your ass zoning code violation and tax collection departments in every town hall and county center is going to be buying and flying drones over people's back yards to look for unregistered cars/boats/camper trailers,etc,etc,etc,as well as real improvements that didn't get a building permit. It's all about revenue enhancement,and the cities especially are running out of money because of all the parasites they paid to move to them so the Dims could get their votes. The money has to come from somewhere,and drones can supply it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   14:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#25)

You can bet your ass zoning code violation and tax collection departments in every town hall and county center is going to be buying and flying drones over people's back yards to look for unregistered cars/boat

So how many of your cars are visible from the road?

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-10-18   16:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Willie Green (#23)

Mexico Drug Trafficking: Drone Carries 28 Pounds of Heroin Across Border To US

Come on Willie. They're just smuggling the drugs that American drones don't want to smuggle.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-18   16:02:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: CZ82 (#26)

So how many of your cars are visible from the road?

That ship has already sailed. Snuffy's world renowned collection of classic cars is already on Youtube

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-18   16:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: CZ82 (#26)

So how many of your cars are visible from the road?

Why do you ask?

Planning on informing on me?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   19:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#29)

Planning on informing on me?

No I'll leave that up to someone who has nothing better to do than spy on his neighbors, or tell others how to live when they can't even figure out their own life...

So who does that remind you of here at LF?

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-10-19   9:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: CZ82 (#30)

No I'll leave that up to someone who has nothing better to do than spy on his neighbors, or tell others how to live when they can't even figure out their own life...

So who does that remind you of here at LF?

Many,many LEO Fan Bois.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   17:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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