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Title: GOOGLE blacklists Natural News...removes 140,000 pages from its index...
Source: Natural News
URL Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-02- ... ws-investigative-articles.html
Published: Feb 22, 2017
Author: Mike Adams
Post Date: 2017-02-22 23:38:01 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 2872
Comments: 23

GOOGLE blacklists Natural News… removes 140,000 pages from its index… “memory holes” Natural News investigative articles on vaccines, pharma corruption, fraudulent science and more

(Natural News) Late last week, I received a direct threat that warned if I did not take steps to destroy Alex Jones and InfoWars, I would be targeted for destruction in a campaign of smears, censorship and defamation.

Instead of giving in to the enemy, I refused to take the bait and went public with details of the threat, warning everyone in the new media that sinister forces were now being pursued to undermine and silence every anti-establishment (and pro-Trump) voice on the internet.

True to form, today the entire Natural News website has been blacklisted by Google, entirely without warning. This is just one of many censorship events that have all taken place over the last few days:

  • Last weekend, damning videos were leaked in a focused effort to take out Milo Yiannopoulos, a former Breitbart News editor and gay conservative who has openly supported President Trump. Milo was hit with an attack wave of “opposition research” and was forced to resign from Breitbart on Monday, citing the “cynical media witch hunt” that brought him down.
  • Yesterday, InfoWars was blackballed by AdRoll.com, an online advertising distribution company. According to Alex Jones, the blacklisting by AdRoll will cost InfoWars $3 million in annual revenues, possibly causing InfoWars to abandon plans of opening a Washington D.C. bureau to cover the Trump administration with real news (instead of the fake news from CNN and elsewhere).
  • The Shopify e-commerce platform was aggressively threatened by organized Leftists to dump the Breitbart online store and thereby deny revenues to Breitbart. Shopify’s CEO refused to kow-tow to the intimidation and censorship and has maintained a “neutral” position on political issues, focusing on running e-commerce platforms for everyone.
  • Today, Natural News has been hit by Google, which has blacklisted the entire Natural News domain and removed over 140,000 pages from its index. The take down of Natural News happened this morning, and it follows a pattern of censorship we’re seeing being leveled against other pro-Trump websites. Google sent no warning whatsoever to our “webmaster tools” email address on file with them. The shut off of Natural News was clearly driven by a human decision, not an algorithm. We’re currently attempting to determine Google’s claimed justification for censoring our entire website, and we hope to have NaturalNews.com restored in Google’s index.

Some of the news now being censored by Google includes our laboratory testing of the U.S. water supply, where we conducted laboratory testing to discover that 6.7% of municipal water is contaminated with toxic metals. Google has also blacklisted our announcement of free laboratory testing services for Native American water supplies impacted by oil pipeline leaks. Also blacklisted is our exclusive coverage of the GlaxoSmithKline criminal indictment by the U.S. Justice Dept. and our interview with the whistleblower who helped achieved a record $3 billion settlement with the criminal drug company.

Apparently, Google believes the public should no longer have access to these investigative journalism articles… and 139,997 more articles that cover activism, science frauds, drug industry criminality, political corruption and more. You are witnessing a modern-day book burning by the internet Gestapo that now decides what knowledge you’re never allowed to access… especially because much of that knowledge can help set humanity free.

I describe it in more detail in this podcast: (article continues below)

Silencing Natural News is all part of the globalist “script” for the enslavement of a population kept ignorant of reality

Natural News is, of course, one of the world’s top educational and activism sources exposing the lies of dangerous medicine, toxic mercury in vaccines, the corporate-quack science behind GMOs, cancer industry fraud and so on. By providing truthful, empowering and passionate information to the public, we harm the profit model of the corrupt medical cartels that fund the media, lobby the government and influence internet gatekeepers with advertising money. (Google has already declared war on natural medicine and nutritional supplements, all but banning them from being advertised on Google Adsense.)

The removal of Natural News from Google’s index means that millions of people may now be unnecessarily harmed by toxic medicines, herbicides and brain-damaging mercury in vaccines because they are being denied the “other side of the story” that’s censored by the corporate-controlled media. By censoring Natural News, Google is, in effect, siding with the criminal pharmaceutical industry that has been charged with multiple felony crimes and caught bribing doctors, fraudulently altering scientific studies, conducting medical experiments on children and price fixing their drugs to maximize profits.

In effect, censorship of Natural News is part of the establishment’s war on humanity which includes depopulation measures (Bill Gates), covert infertility vaccines, corporate-run media disinfo campaigns and a full-on assault against scientific truth and free speech conducted in the public interest.

With the attacks on Milo, InfoWars and Natural News, what you are witnessing right now is the coordinated silencing of every voice that opposes the corrupt, globalist establishment. All such voices are being “memory holed” in the run-up to an attempted Orwellian-style domination over all information run by Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Twitter and other internet gatekeepers. This is all by design. It is nefarious, sinister and represents nothing less than the final desperate assault to enslave humanity by silencing truth.

Targeted by anti-Trump globalists

It’s clear to me that Natural News is being targeted primarily because of our support for President Trump and his review of vaccine safety. It is now apparent that any person who engages in real science, critical thinking or any attempt to protect children from the brain damaging effects of mercury in vaccines is going to be silenced, discredited, smeared and blacklisted. This is an astonishing realization about the depths of total corruption in society today and how the medical cartels control information to maximize their profits off human suffering.

Note that if I had agreed to betray my colleagues and agree to participate in a smear campaign against Alex Jones, everything would have been fine with Natural News and you wouldn’t see the attacks being waged against us. The tactic now being pursued by the establishment is, “Join the Dark Side or be destroyed.”

I won’t ever join the Dark Side, which means I will be silenced. The message from Google and other information gatekeepers is now clear: Obediently conform to the status quo or you will be banished from the digital realm.

This is, in essence, nothing less than a modern-day book burning by anti-human globalists who are determined to keep humanity ignorant (and diseased).

The real agenda of the humanity-hating globalist agenda is now on full display: It’s about total domination over all information so that humanity never learns that cancer can be prevented with vitamin D, or that glyphosate herbicide causes cancer, or that statin drugs are a multi-billion-dollar medical scam. The Sheeple are all slated to be sacrificed upon the altar of Big Pharma profits, and anyone who dares stand in their way will be eliminated by any means necessary.

What you can do to fight this brazen censorship and assault being waged against humanity

First off, stop using anti-truth internet gatekeepers like Google, Facebook, Yahoo and Twitter. They are quietly controlling your thoughts, ideas and beliefs by limiting your access to valuable resources like Natural News.

Second, use GoodGopher.com as your search engine, as it provides you with uncensored search results from thousands of independent media websites (many of which are banned or penalized by Google).

Third, bookmark NaturalNews.com in your browser and check it at least twice daily (we post new content each morning and each evening). Manually type it into your browser if you have to. From now on, never rely on some other gatekeeper to bring you to Natural News, because those gatekeepers are censoring all our content.

Be sure to also sign up to our email newsletter using the form below. This email newsletter is one of the best ways we can reach you without being filtered out by other sources. As you might expect, Gmail censors our newsletters too, so don’t use a Gmail email address. (Yes, the censorship is an all-out assault.)

Finally, make Censored.news a primary resource to watch for breaking news on important events that are being censored by the fake news media (CNN, WashPo, NYT, etc.).

Finally, prepare for total war on humanity. I’m being told from other sources that the “final solution” is coming soon from the globalists, and it’s going to be unleashed as an all-out war against Trump, liberty, free speech, natural medicine and every individual who dares stand up and speak the truth against the lying globalists and their fake news minions. The reason they are silencing Natural News, InfoWars and other outlets is because they are preparing for a very big false flag assault and they don’t want independent media websites to be able to counter the “official” news narrative.

I’m serious. Get ready. It’s all coming down soon.


Poster Comment:

They claim this is a #NoPlatform tactic by the Left. They may be right.

Over at AoS, Ace explains the tactic this way today:

One of the left's recent inventions was the doctrine of "No Platforming," or #NoPlatforming, as the kids say on Twitter. The idea of it is that people should not merely oppose, contradict, refute, or rubbish statements they do not like, but apply social and economic pressure to block such statements from even being made at a venue they control (or influence). Hence, "No Platforming" -- we will blockade anyone from even providing a platform to people whose speech we don't like.

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#1. To: Tooconservative, dead letter box (#0) (Edited)

This seems to be heading towards internet wars, lots of hacking and attacks.

Might have to go back to printed media. Paper news bulletins delivered by private carriers. Spy stuff like dead letter drop boxes, just for basic communications?

This high tech stuff ain't all it's cracked up to be.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

hondo68  posted on  2017-02-23   0:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#0)

GOOGLE blacklists Natural News...removes 140,000 pages from its index...

Google delists Mike Adams. His hilarious tantrum about the conspiracy behind it is epic, as is my schadenfreude.

Regular readers here are probably familiar with Mike Adams and his website NaturalNews.com. Forget the antivaccine crank blog Age of Autism, when it comes to wretched hives of scum and quackery on the Internet, NaturalNews is the wretchedest, scummiest, and quackiest. Not surprisingly, Adams got his start in wingnuttery selling Y2K scams nearly 18 years ago. Now, besides presiding over a scammy online publishing empire that racks in considerable green by publishing articles laced with quackery, antivaccine pseudoscience, character assassination, and thuggery, both legal and getting a bit too close to inciting violence, Mikey fancies himself a scientist. (He also fancies himself a rapper and musician, but the less said about his rapping and vocal stylings, the better.) He’s even gone so far as to purchase a used mass spectrometer and use it to analyze everything from his competitors’ supplements to Flint water to the flu vaccine, resulting in pure hilarity (to real scientists) and, unsurprisingly, an interview with America’s Quack, Mehmet Oz, on The Dr. Oz Show and an instant quack bromance. Basically, if it’s quackery and pseudoscience, very likely Adams embraces it and probably profits from selling it. More recently, Adams has become a die-hard Donald Trump supporter and a rising star in the alt-right.

In the interests of full disclosure, I must reveal the reason for my schadenfreude. First, it appears that, for unclear reasons, Google penalized NaturalNews.com today, as Len over at Telapost noticed:

Today someone asked me why they could not find a website in Google search. The website is “Natural News” (http://naturalnews.com/).

Indeed, the site has been penalized by Google. This means, for whatever reason, the site does not show up in Google organic search. I tested the subdomain blogs.naturalnews.com as well, and it too is penalized.

Len goes on to note that he’s seen sites disappear for a day or two and come back, but as of right now he noted that NaturalNews.com is definitely missing from Google Search results. I myself also did some tests and found the same thing. At least as of my writing this, NaturalNews is:

If you are not active in the world of SEO you may call it blackballed, sandboxed, blacklisted, delisted, etc. It means your website has been removed from Google’s search results. Some penalties are algorithmic, others are manual, meaning a person at Google manually penalized the website for violating Google’s webmaster guidelines.

So we don’t know why NaturalNews was penalized by Google, nor do we know if this penalization is permanent, brief, or long term, but this is serious business:

As mentioned above, this could be a fluke. Or, maybe there are a tremendous amount of bad links pointing at them- I doubt that though- the site is 10yrs old.

I googled a recent post and it had been mentioned nearly 3,000 times in just days that I could tell, which means it has likely been cited significantly more than that. That is a tremendous amount od SEO value. From what I can tell, the site should be ranking very well. But, that said, there is only so much I can tell by just glancing around. I do not have access to what I would need to determine why the penalty occurred.

This must be fairly recent as SimilarWeb estimates that 31% of their 6,500,000 monthly hits are via organic search.

When I searched for NaturalNews.com on Google, I got Adams’ Facebook page. I got a bunch of entries about Natural News, including RationalWiki’s and a couple posts by me here and at my not-so-super-secret other blog. I got a couple of domains owned by Adams and linked to NaturalNews.com, such as NewsTarget.com, Healthranger.com, and TruthWiki.org, all domains that do not appear to be affected. But I saw no direct links to NaturalNews.com. On Twitter I’ve been getting reports from the UK that Adams’ site appears to have been delisted there as well.

Of course, it’s possible that, by the time you see this, Google will be indexing NaturalNews.com again. Or not. SEO might as well be black magic to me, and I am not wise in the ways of Google. I am, however, amused at Mike Adams’ reaction. Those of you familiar with Adams knows that to him everything is a conspiracy, and this is no exception. It couldn’t possibly be that Adams did something to trigger the penalty and that there was no malice on Google’s part (which is almost certainly the case). Oh, no. It had to be The Man out to get him, as this gloriously unhinged screed posted yesterday by Adams entitled GOOGLE blacklists Natural News… removes 140,000 pages from its index… “memory holes” Natural News investigative articles on vaccines, pharma corruption, fraudulent science and more. Naturally, the reason Google penalized and “delisted” his website is retaliation:

Late last week, I received a direct threat that warned if I did not take steps to destroy Alex Jones and InfoWars, I would be targeted for destruction in a campaign of smears, censorship and defamation.

Instead of giving in to the enemy, I refused to take the bait and went public with details of the threat, warning everyone in the new media that sinister forces were now being pursued to undermine and silence every anti-establishment (and pro-Trump) voice on the internet.

True to form, today the entire Natural News website has been blacklisted by Google, entirely without warning.

As is his usual M.O., Adams linked the delisting of his flagship website to…well, everything, including the fall of Milo Yiannopoulos, the alt right troll known for his misogyny, slurs against and outing of LGBT people, and general nastiness. Apparently, none of that was too much for conservatives who embraced him for being “politically incorrect,” but when he spoke way too blithely about pedophilia, even appearing to defend it, that was too much and he was disinvited from speaking at this week’s CPAC conservative gathering and forced to resign from Breitbart. Of course, it was the “opposition research” and a “cynical media witch hunt” that brought him down. Then there’s InfoWars having been “blackballed” by AdRoll, thus cutting into Alex Jones’ profits. Then, of course, there were those evil liberals pummeling the Shopify e-commerce platform to dump the Breitbart online store. Then there was this:

Today, Natural News has been hit by Google, which has blacklisted the entire Natural News domain and removed over 140,000 pages from its index. The take down of Natural News happened this morning, and it follows a pattern of censorship we’re seeing being leveled against other pro-Trump websites. Google sent no warning whatsoever to our “webmaster tools” email address on file with them. The shut off of Natural News was clearly driven by a human decision, not an algorithm. We’re currently attempting to determine Google’s claimed justification for censoring our entire website, and we hope to have NaturalNews.com restored in Google’s index.

Schadenfreude feels so good. I truly enjoyed reading Adams’ rant about how you are “witnessing a modern-day book burning by the internet Gestapo that now decides what knowledge you’re never allowed to access… especially because much of that knowledge can help set humanity free.” I mean, I knew Adams was grandiose, but this is ridiculous, so much so that it’s worth quoting at more length than I normally do, so that you, too, can laugh at it without actually having to visit NaturalNews.com (although feel free to do so if you like, and tell Adams Orac sent you). Read it in all its unhinged glory:

Natural News is, of course, one of the world’s top educational and activism sources exposing the lies of dangerous medicine, toxic mercury in vaccines, the corporate-quack science behind GMOs, cancer industry fraud and so on. By providing truthful, empowering and passionate information to the public, we harm the profit model of the corrupt medical cartels that fund the media, lobby the government and influence internet gatekeepers with advertising money. (Google has already declared war on natural medicine and nutritional supplements, all but banning them from being advertised on Google Adsense.)

The removal of Natural News from Google’s index means that millions of people may now be unnecessarily harmed by toxic medicines, herbicides and brain-damaging mercury in vaccines because they are being denied the “other side of the story” that’s censored by the corporate-controlled media. By censoring Natural News, Google is, in effect, siding with the criminal pharmaceutical industry that has been charged with multiple felony crimes and caught bribing doctors, fraudulently altering scientific studies, conducting medical experiments on children and price fixing their drugs to maximize profits.

In effect, censorship of Natural News is part of the establishment’s war on humanity which includes depopulation measures (Bill Gates), covert infertility vaccines, corporate-run media disinfo campaigns and a full-on assault against scientific truth and free speech conducted in the public interest.

Won’t someone think of the children? Not surprisingly, the almost as quacky Jon Rapaport is standing behind Mike Adams in his hour of need. Of course, Adams will look very silly if this was just a glitch and his site is relisted tomorrow. I’m hoping that doesn’t happen, but how Google operates is the very blackest of black boxes. Who knows what happened. I’m hoping the delisting sticks but fearing it won’t.

In any case, Adams is either really delusional or thinks incredibly little of his readers if he can say with a straight face that Natural News is one of the worlds “top educational and activism sources.” In reality, it is, as I said above, the wretchedest of wretched hives of scum and quackery, now seasoned with alt right, Trump-worshiping misogyny, racism, bigotry against transgendered people, and general right wing batshit nuttiness. Even more hilarious is his claim that “millions of people” might now be harmed by the evil toxins, vaccines, herbicides, and everything else Adams likes to rant about.

I have to wonder, naturally, whether Google’s decision to delist NaturalNews.com is part of its attempt to clean up fake news. To be honest, as much as I despise Adams and his website, I’m not sure that NaturalNews.com qualifies as fake news. Adams rarely makes up stories out of whole cloth. Rather, like every good propagandist, he takes existing news stories and information sources, cherry picks from them, and then weaves them together into a deceptive, biased tale designed to rile up his readers by confirming their conspiracy theories, while misrepresenting science and evidence to fuel his quackery- supporting narratives. That’s why I don’t really consider NaturalNews.com to be a fake news site, but more like a whackaloon conspiracy theory and quackery website. I realize that that could be a distinction without a true difference.

On the other hand, it’s a fine line between what Adams does and fake news; I’m not always sure where I’d draw it. Even so, there’s no doubt that Adams’ website had serious Google juice, given all the citations, incoming links, and, these days above all, the social media shares, all coupled with a lot of traffic and reach. And that was a problem. His “fake medicine” and conspiracy theory articles were very widely shared on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media, and Adams has been very SEO-, social media-, and web-savvy for a very long time. His ridiculous articles promoting ridiculous conspiracy theories (that is, when he wasn’t gloating over the deaths of celebrities who used conventional medicine to treat their cancer).

Oh, and playing the martyr, persecuted for…well, just read:

It’s clear to me that Natural News is being targeted primarily because of our support for President Trump and his review of vaccine safety. It is now apparent that any person who engages in real science, critical thinking or any attempt to protect children from the brain damaging effects of mercury in vaccines is going to be silenced, discredited, smeared and blacklisted. This is an astonishing realization about the depths of total corruption in society today and how the medical cartels control information to maximize their profits off human suffering.

Or, it could just be that Adams tried something with his website that Google didn’t like, like bogus links, cloaking, spoofing, or doorway pages. Or something else that Google doesn’t like. There’s no way of knowing. As I said before, Google’s search algorithms are the blackest of black boxes.

I am, however, very much enjoying my schadenfreude, and will continue to do so as long as Adams’ site is delisted and he continues his tirades against Google and his victimhood conspiracies. I just started listening to Adams’ podcast about the whole thing:

I’m sorry, I had to stop when Adams started to brag about how NaturalNews.com is true journalism that cites all its sources and does in-depth analysis. I couldn’t stop laughing.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-02-23   5:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#0)

The guy sounds like a mirror image of Deckard and his Website one that Deckard would copy and paste from …

when it comes to wretched hives of scum and quackery on the Internet, NaturalNews is the wretchedest, scummiest, and quackiest. Not surprisingly, Adams got his start in wingnuttery selling Y2K scams nearly 18 years ago. Now, besides presiding over a scammy online publishing empire that racks in considerable green by publishing articles laced with quackery, antivaccine pseudoscience, character assassination, and thuggery, both legal and getting a bit too close to inciting violence …

… amused at Mike Adams’ reaction. Those of you familiar with Adams knows that to him everything is a conspiracy, and this is no exception. It couldn’t possibly be that Adams did something to trigger the penalty and that there was no malice on Google’s part (which is almost certainly the case). Oh, no. It had to be The Man out to get him, as this gloriously unhinged screed posted yesterday …

… I truly enjoyed reading Adams’ rant about how you are “witnessing a modern- day book burning by the internet Gestapo that now decides what knowledge you’re never allowed to access… especially because much of that knowledge can help set humanity free.” I mean, I knew Adams was grandiose, but this is ridiculous, so much so that it’s worth quoting at more length than I normally do, so that you, too, can laugh at it without actually having to visit NaturalNews.com …

… whether Google’s decision to delist NaturalNews.com is part of its attempt to clean up fake news. To be honest, as much as I despise Adams and his website, I’m not sure that NaturalNews.com qualifies as fake news. Adams rarely makes up stories out of whole cloth. Rather, like every good propagandist, he takes existing news stories and information sources, cherry picks from them, and then weaves them together into a deceptive, biased tale designed to rile up his readers by confirming their conspiracy theories, while misrepresenting science and evidence to fuel his quackery- supporting narratives. That’s why I don’t really consider NaturalNews.com to be a fake news site, but more like a whackaloon conspiracy theory and quackery website …

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=49868&Disp=2#C2

Gatlin  posted on  2017-02-23   5:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#3)

I thought it worth noting that a big alt website got booted off Google entirely with no warning, apparently because it supported Trump.

This #NoPlatform thing is a new tactic. I think they will try to drive conservatives of all stripes off Facebook, Twitter, etc. comparable to how they have cleansed academia of all conservatives.

The Left is far more dangerous than the quackery of Natural News, IMO.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-02-23   8:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)

I thought it worth noting that a big alt website got booted off Google entirely with no warning, apparently because it supported Trump.

Information definitely worth posting. You could be correct in your assumption with regard to supporting Trump.

I however think the reason was his continued posting of “altered” stories….going along with Google’s stated effort to try and stop/control fake news.

Anyway, I still say he sound like a “Deckard.”

Gatlin  posted on  2017-02-23   9:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#0)

OK... so what are the alternatives to Google?
I mean besides losers like Bing & Yahoo!

I vaguely remember the days before Google when search engine results were much more interesting... and then Google came along and dominated everybody... and deservedly so...

But over the years, the search results seem to be much more bland...

  • Is that because of "censorship"?
  • or is that because Google ranks them according to some formula depending on advertising revenue?

    Where do we go to escape the Google Monster?

Willie Green  posted on  2017-02-23   9:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#0)

"Those who control the past control the future. Those who control the preset control the past" --George Orwell

VxH  posted on  2017-02-23   10:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#5) (Edited)

Sod off you cowardly tosser.

Your "fake news" bullshit is growing tiresome.

Face it - you hate any news source that questions the status quo.

Gatlin the "Truthseeker"?

You make me want to puke.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-02-23   10:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Willie Green, Tooconservative (#6)

Where do we go to escape the Google Monster?

Everyone will probably give you a different preference for their different reasons.

FWIW….here is a list for your consideration.

See: 40 Advanced and Alternative Search Engines.

I switch around and try different ones frequently. Nothing scientific, it just gives me a feeling of getting a gross cross-section. If the subject matter is important….I generally make an additional check on a couple different search engines.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-02-23   10:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Liberals need shovels implanted in their foreheads.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-02-23   10:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#5)

Anyway, I still say he sound like a “Deckard.”

Even so, if a "Deckard" who supports Trump is being targeted for deplatforming, I think we want to know about that. Conservatives have championed far loopier causes. What did we ever get out of defending George Zimmerman, a lifelong liberal Dem?

I know we do some things for principle but it seems to me that we sometimes jump on these cases just because some internet clickbaiters are hyping it to the heavens and it becomes a Big Deal. We see the same on the Left too.

Clickbaitery and manufactured outrage is a modern plague, pushing out a lot of legit political debate. It all becomes grist for someone's propaganda machine.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-02-23   10:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green (#6)

Lycos and hotbot are still up.

Don't know how good they are.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-02-23   11:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Willie Green, A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#6)

Hmm...I use DDG, having abandoned Google almost entirely several years ago.

However, Google (and every other web spider operation out there) can access every page here at LF because Stone won't restrict them in LF's robots.txt configuration file. I would post the contents here but it appears it is now entirely blank. I know it contained the basic wildcard directives less than a year ago because I check it every so often, as I just did today.

LP and 4um have always forbidden anything more than a few top-level pages of their sites from being indexed by web spiders. On those sites, you never had to consider if your words were being compiled and stored in a dossier by Google or Bing or NSA or FBI or anyone else.

It's hard to say whether allowing web spiders helps or hurts these forums overall. I know that back when Goldie was running LP, I stuck there simply because of web spider issue. Even after getting an account here at LF, I didn't really post here until LP went offline.

Anyway, Google (and every other scumbag outfit on the internet) are poring over and recording every last word you post here, likely seeking to identify you via AI techniques, like telltale phrasing and vocabulary or punctuation habits, etc. This is called "fingerprinting" and it is very effective at identifying individuals, even if they operate behind VPNs and other camouflaging techniques (like ad-blockers, blocking cookies, private browsing sessions, etc.).

But where do the alternative search engines get their results? It varies.

Startpage uses Google results which it buys from the company (in a slightly less user friendly interface); its sister company Ixquick, as well as rival site DuckDuckGo, present results compiled from a series of different search engines. For example, DuckDuckGo says its sources are its own web crawler, Yahoo!, Yandex, WolframAlpha, Bing and crowd-sourced sites such as Wikipedia.

DDG used to buy search results from Google but have expanded into their own crawler. And they don't rat you out to anyone and keep no records on individual searches. But no, they probably aren't quite as good as Google or as comprehensive. Even so, I am satisfied with lesser convenience and even with lesser quality searches if I don't have to be "searched" by Google in reverse.

I want to search the web, not open myself up to being searched by big private internet companies that are mining my personal info and selling to whoever, who might someday expose that info or it might turn up to be used to discriminate against me in some way. I don't want to let Google and Facebook build profiles and extensive dossiers of everything I ever write. It's bad enough that my ISP has some (small) ability to track me in that way. I'm not doing anything exciting or interesting, I just prefer my privacy. Particularly in a country that seems to have lost all sensibility over protecting privacy from invasive international corporations and from Big Government.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-02-23   11:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Willie Green, A K A Stone (#13)

Another change I made to years of browsing was to rid myself of Drudge Report. Now I use the similar Liberty Daily.

Look at both currently and notice the difference. Drudge is a lot more mainstream and ignores some big stories currently in the news. Matt doesn't want to cover transgender bathrooms I wonder why...

Drudge Report

The Liberty Daily

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-02-23   15:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#13)

LP and 4um have always forbidden anything more than a few top-level pages of their sites from being indexed by web spiders. On those sites, you never had to consider if your words were being compiled and stored in a dossier by Google or Bing or NSA or FBI or anyone else.

This isn't true, actually. The robot.txt file is only a courtesy means of site owners to state their preferences to robots on what they should and should not search. There is nothing preventing robots from indexing entire sites and ignoring the robots.txt file directives, so while friendly robots like major search engines would likely obey them, hostile robots like those of the FBI/CIA and friends would certainly have no reason to.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-02-23   19:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite (#15)

This isn't true, actually. The robot.txt file is only a courtesy means of site owners to state their preferences to robots on what they should and should not search. There is nothing preventing robots from indexing entire sites and ignoring the robots.txt file directives, so while friendly robots like major search engines would likely obey them, hostile robots like those of the FBI/CIA and friends would certainly have no reason to.

True enough. However, you lose any legal protection at all if you are permissive in your robots.txt or remove it altogether. It's basically like removing the locks on your doors: you can't complain if the cops come in. Or foreign intel services. Or operations like SPLC. Your lawyer will face other lawyers saying "they chose to leave the front door of their house (webserver) wide open to anyone".

It is undeniable.

As you said, it provides no real shield but most spiders do respect it. And it is the actual expression of the privacy intent (if any) of the site owner. At present, the lack of it here says: come in and database anything and everything you want to grab and you can keep it around forever until you can identify forum members just using AI techniques to parse their grammar.

Also, if anyone here said anything in violation of hate speech laws, the web caches of outfits like Google contain evidence that they would not contain if there was a restrictive robots.txt file. This could not have happened at LP or at 4um. There's no explaining that away.

Besides, it isn't as if having LF in the "legs widespread" position has done anything to improve recruitment of new members.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-02-23   20:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#16)

True enough. However, you lose any legal protection at all if you are permissive in your robots.txt or remove it altogether. It's basically like removing the locks on your doors: you can't complain if the cops come in. Or foreign intel services. Or operations like SPLC. Your lawyer will face other lawyers saying "they chose to leave the front door of their house (webserver) wide open to anyone".

But it's not even a lock I would opin has no legal significance whatsoever. It's not on par with a "No Trespassing" sign on someone's front lawn, because anyone with a web browser is still welcome to visit all aspects of the site which the web server openly makes available. The robot.txt restrictions are more synonymous with a "No photos please" sign posted beside a highway billboard. Whatever is on the billboard is still being broadcast to the public, and asking people not to take photo's of it is hardly of legal significance.

As you said, it provides no real shield but most spiders do respect it.

Search engine spiders respect it because there's somewhat of a mutually beneficial relationship between publicly accessible search engines and site owners. Site owners might not want spiders to access duplicate content that can be found by somewhat differing URLs, as the additional spidering would needlessly use up bandwidth.

And it is the actual expression of the privacy intent (if any) of the site owner.

I would disagree that it's an expression of privacy, as it only applies to content that is already NOT private to any person browsing the net. Someone who wants privacy would at minimum utilize password control to the site, which is in fact one feature the Pinguinite software offers. I.e. one must be logged in to read any articles or comments. THAT would be private and would lock out any spider.... that didn't have log in credentials.

Also, if anyone here said anything in violation of hate speech laws, the web caches of outfits like Google contain evidence that they would not contain if there was a restrictive robots.txt file. This could not have happened at LP or at 4um. There's no explaining that away.

This is true. If the robot's file is set to filter out comments then it's unlikely any evidence of illegal writings would end up in major search engine databases. But of course it wouldn't stop any hostile search spiders from collecting the same on a fishing expedition basis.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-02-23   22:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#17)

Someone who wants privacy would at minimum utilize password control to the site, which is in fact one feature the Pinguinite software offers. I.e. one must be logged in to read any articles or comments. THAT would be private and would lock out any spider.... that didn't have log in credentials.

I would actually be interested to see an entirely private Pinguinite forum like that. I'm not sure it would be any larger than LF (or LP or 4um) but I don't think it would necessarily be any smaller either.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-02-23   23:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#18)

People would need to be directed to it by virtue of being a member of some other group. Say a club of some sort that meets every month or something, or some on-line circle. Obviously search engines wouldn't feed many people to it, unless the forum had a great sales pitch page that was public.

But yeah, it seems facebook and other social network sites have pretty much replaced the web site discussion forum for the most part. The Facebook corporate headquarters which houses all their web servers is constantly under construction, expanding their hardware warehouses, laying concrete, erecting walls and roofs and then putting in racks, hardware, hard drives and so on. It's a perpetual expansion, until the next high tech innovation makes FB obsolete.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-02-24   0:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative (#18)

I would actually be interested to see an entirely private Pinguinite forum like that. I'm not sure it would be any larger than LF (or LP or 4um) but I don't think it would necessarily be any smaller either.

www.the-peoples-forum.com was like that at times.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-02-24   7:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

www.the-peoples-forum.com was like that at times.

Yeah but only Robin (and Pericles) ever posted there, it seemed.

You recall that LP started as an alternative to FR and then a refuge from Viking Kitty crap. A private forum could still fill that niche, I think. When Robinson started posting at LP and monitoring it, it really hurt LP IMO. He was what they wanted to get away from but without actually leaving FR.

Of course, LP grew as a refuge from FR back when Twitter and Facebook weren't around or were very small. Perhaps people go to Twitter or Facebook or other phone apps without considering joining up with any Web 1.0 forum like FR or LF or similar.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-02-24   9:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite (#19)

People would need to be directed to it by virtue of being a member of some other group. Say a club of some sort that meets every month or something, or some on-line circle. Obviously search engines wouldn't feed many people to it, unless the forum had a great sales pitch page that was public.

I would expect it would have to be invite-only.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-02-24   9:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin (#3)

Rather, like every good propagandist, he takes existing news stories and information sources, cherry picks from them, and then weaves them together into a deceptive, biased tale designed to rile up his readers by confirming their conspiracy theories, while misrepresenting science and evidence to fuel his quackery- supporting narratives.

Are you saying he is the New York Times?

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sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-24   9:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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