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Title: Enough With the Recriminations [over RyanCare], Go Back to Work
Source: The Spectator
URL Source: https://spectator.org/enough-with-t ... ecriminations-go-back-to-work/
Published: Mar 27, 2017
Author: Scott McKay
Post Date: 2017-03-27 14:38:13 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 170
Comments: 10

Yes, Ryancare was a bad idea and yes, failing to pass it will be sold as a defeat for Trump. So what?

What’s the old quote? God helps invalids, small children, and the United States of America?

There’s another one, which came courtesy of Winston Churchill: “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing — after they’ve tried everything else.”

Somewhere between those two old chestnuts is where we are in the aftermath of the American Health Care Act — otherwise known as Ryancare — being pulled by House Speaker Paul Ryan when it was clear there simply wouldn’t be enough votes to pull it to passage.

That failure has already been thrown around as a major blow to the Donald Trump administration, and Trump validated this critique over the weekend with an ill-advised tweet: “Democrats are smiling in DC that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club For Growth and Heritage, have saved Planned Parenthood and Ocare!”

If anybody in Trump’s White House suggested such a tweet (there were rumors it was Reince Priebus’s work), a firing is warranted. Because those Republicans in the Freedom Caucus and the conservative organizations undergirding them who killed the AHCA have done Trump, the GOP, even Ryan and the House GOP leadership and the country at large a favor. We can now start over and get back to first principles where health care is concerned.

This was, for some reason, not possible a month ago.

Let’s remember that in 2015 not only did the House pass but the Senate also passed an Obamacare repeal bill. It went all the way to President Obama’s desk, before Obama vetoed it.

We now have ample reason to suspect that the decision not to revisit that 2015 legislation came, as Hot Air’s Taylor Millard suggested, from the fact that the leadership never wanted to repeal Obamacare — or, perhaps more to the point, were terrified of the political ramifications of doing so.

But with the AHCA now on the scrap-heap, those fears and that conventional wisdom can be cast aside.

The way is clear for the Republican leadership now to do what they promised and repeal Obamacare. Replace it? What for?

The idea that Congress will design a Washington-centric health care system with a prayer of effectiveness runs counter to not only conservative principles but our national experience — and that’s putting it mildly. The Washington-centric health-care systems we already have are the cause of the dislocation in our health-care markets, and between them — the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid — they’ve proven government healthcare sucks in America every bit as much as it does in Venezuela, the U.K., and Red China.

If you’re a conservative, you’re supposed to be against such ideas. Taking on the charge to build a better Rube Goldberg contraption for 320 million people than the Democrats did won’t fit in that box.

Ryan said when the CBO panned his plan by claiming it would put 24 million Americans off the insurance rolls that the verdict was better than expected. Nobody in the leadership team bothered to drive home the point that the vast majority of those 24 million people would be uninsured because they’d prefer to be uninsured than waste money on bad products the government currently sees fit to force them to buy. Why? Who knows. Perhaps out of fear.

Well, Speaker Ryan and President Trump and whoever else might be listening, your worst fears have come true — you can’t get a majority for passing a Republican redesign of Obamacare the CBO projects won’t be substantially more popular than the original recipe. So, what now?

Perhaps just repeal the damn thing, with an effective date a year and a half (or so) away to give the market an opportunity to prepare, and announce that from now on you’re out of the business of running the medical system from Washington. Tell the folks from now on you will only pass bills on health care containing specific tweaks to the system to free the market — allowing people to buy group insurance outside of their employment, for example, or facilitating an interstate health market, or promoting health savings accounts, especially for young people, or doing something to equalize tax treatment between individual purchasers of health insurance and the employer-based market. Pass those or something like them INDIVIDUALLY. Stop trying to change the world all at once.

And once you repeal the damn thing, you will likely be shocked at the votes you shake loose on the other side.

There were never going to be any Democrats supporting the AHCA. Democrats like Obamacare, and thus their default position is going to be a status quo position. You don’t need Democrats to repeal Obamacare; you proved that in 2015. So repeal it and change the status quo back to something that looks like the system pre-Obamacare which 85 percent of the country thought was fine. Democrats didn’t think it was fine, though — present them with specific improvements to be weighed against a status quo of which they don’t approve, and some of them will find value in them.

The failure of the AHCA doesn’t kill the GOP, and it doesn’t kill Trump, and it doesn’t kill Ryan. Obamacare will fail, just as Trump predicted, and it is not Trump’s, Ryan’s, or the GOP’s fault when it does. That was true before Ryancare was cooked up and presented to an unwilling Congress, and it’s still true. The mistakes that have been made in the past few weeks are only fatal, if they’re allowed to be.

Get up, dust yourself off, and do better. Focus on the promises which got you where you are, and fulfill those. And then stop, and for the most part, get out of the way. You’ll be shocked at how much better that works for you than trying to put the federal government in charge.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

" Yes, Ryancare was a bad idea and yes, failing to pass it will be sold as a defeat for Trump. So what? "

You know TC, this whole mess has me greatly confused.

I don't really know what was in " RyanCare" that was really good, nor what was in it that was really bad.

I never did see the bill, nor a good summary outlining the contents.

It seems the two camps are bickering back & forth, and it appears it is primarily a battle of personalities. Each side thinks their idol was harmed, and that the other side made their hero look bad, so they bitch about the perceived " evil dooers ". All without explaining the advantages / disadvantages of each.

Reminds me of Pelosi saying had to vote for it to see what was in it.

If there is a good summary somewhere, could you please advise where?

I am sure there are others out here that do not know what to make of it all either.

Some I am sure will tell me to do some research, but I am not going to spend 20 hr days for the next 6 months trying to figure it out.

Again, if there is a good summary somewhere, could you please advise where?

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice you may have !

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-03-28   11:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stoner (#1)

Stoner, I found this and it might be helpful to you.

www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr1628/summary

Fred Mertz  posted on  2017-03-28   11:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Fred Mertz (#2)

" I found this and it might be helpful to you.

www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr1628/summary "

Thanks Fred. I will review it this evening. Was it helpful to you?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-03-28   12:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Stoner (#3)

I skimmed it and it was helpful.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2017-03-28   12:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Stoner (#1)

Reminds me of Pelosi saying had to vote for it to see what was in it.

If there is a good summary somewhere, could you please advise where?

It was like the Pelosi effort in that way.

They were changing it right up to Friday. Then they declared it dead. What we have are just reports of what the final version contained. No one knew for sure what was supposed to be in it and what the exact language was.

That alone should tell you a lot about it. 17 days to revamp 1/6th of the economy and with a bill hidden behind closed doors and with no chance at all to debate or offer amendments (but with the surety that the Senate would make significant alterations to it and then, because the Senate had changed it, it would have to come back to the House and be presented again for yet another "take it or leave it but if you vote no we'll cut off party money and Trump may campaign against you" kind of vote.

The Red states who did the most to help the GOP win the three branches are the states that would have suffered the most. For one thing, all the Blue states (and Red states like Ohio) who did expand their Medicaid rolls and made out like bandits in federal money wanted to slam the door on the remaining non-0bamaCare states and make sure they could never expand their Medicaid rolls at all. But all the federal Medicaid money had to keep flowing to these, the most liberal states. And the Red states basically get nothing but a lot of people losing their insurance on the exchanges (which they had to get because 0bamaCare destroyed the insurance plans they used to have).

I don't think most people recognize just how much this RynoCare bill that Trump pushed would do to actively punish any working class or middle class Republican voters for being dumb enough to vote for these clowns.

"I love the poorly educated." - Donald Trump, 2/24/16, at victory speech after Nevada primary

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-28   12:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz, Stoner (#4)

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=50353

Mo Brooks of Alabama introduced a bill yesterday for a total repeal of Obamacare. It's basically one sentence, two pages.

The link above contains the full bill.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

hondo68  posted on  2017-03-28   13:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68, Fred Mertz (#6)

Can you all tell me how all of this affects military retirees & their health care? As I understand, they are under something called Tri Care, so how, if at all does Obama Care / Ryan Care affect them ? I am really curious.

I have asked this question of Gatlin twice now, & no reply. Do any of you all know ?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-03-29   12:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)

Sorry TC, intended to ask you as well to my #7.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-03-29   12:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Stoner (#7)

Can you all tell me how all of this affects military retirees & their health care?

I never heard TriCare discussed in the recent RynoCare bill.

I've had the impression that the big push there still is granting vets the right to see any doctor, not just VA doctors. But I haven't heard of them actually doing it.

Since Trump took the old #2 guy at VA and let him run it, I just assumed he gave the guy a deadline to make major improvements across the system. And the VA secretary assured that he has been given authority to fire people including those who have been protected by civil service rules.

I really haven't heard anything about VA hospitals except that bit about them not putting up Trump's picture to replace 0bama's.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-29   14:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Stoner (#7)

Do any of you all know ?

I don't know. Like Trump learned, it's complicated!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

hondo68  posted on  2017-03-29   14:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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