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Title: Biblical prophecy claims the world will end on Sept. 23, Christian numerologists claim
Source: FOXNews
URL Source: http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/na ... sept-23-christian-numerologist
Published: Sep 16, 2017
Author: staff
Post Date: 2017-09-16 19:11:20 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 239
Comments: 20

(FoxNews.com) - Christian numerologists claim that the world will end on Sept. 23, 2017 as they believe a planet will collide with Earth.

According to Christian numerologist David Meade, verses in Luke 21: 25 to 26 is the sign that recent events, such as the recent solar eclipse and Hurricane Harvey, are signs of the apocalypse.

The verses read:

“25: There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

"'26: Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.'

Sept. 23 is a date that was pinpointed using codes from the Bible, as well as a "date marker" in the pyramids of Giza in Egypt.

Meade has built his theory, which is viewed with a widely skeptical lens, on the so-called Planet X, which is also known as Nibiru, which he believes will pass Earth on Sept. 23, causing volcanic eruptions, tsunamis and earthquakes, according to British newspaper The Sun.

NASA has repeatedly said Planet X is a hoax.

Revelation 12:1–2, is supposed to be the start of the Rapture and second coming of Christ, which is also being mentioned heavily by Christian conspiracy theorists.

The passage reads: "And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth."

In the passage, the woman is Virgo. On Sept. 23, both the Sun and the Moon will be in Virgo, as will the planet Jupiter. However, this occurence happens naturally once every 12 years. There is also a rare alignment, known as "the Lion of the tribe of Judah," which the conspiracy theorists are hanging their hats on.

According to the Express, author Jonathan Sarfati wrote that the same planetary coincidence previously happened four times in the last millennium.

"As usual with any astrology (or Christian adaptations of it), one cherry-picks the stars that fit the desired conclusion," Sarfati wrote, according to the Express. "There is nothing to suggest that 23 September is a momentous date for biblical prophecy, and Christians need to be careful about being drawn into such sensationalist claims."

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

People will faint from terror ...

That's true! That happened at UC Berkeley when Ben Shapiro was allowed to speak there.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-16   19:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#2. To: misterwhite, interpreter (#1)

Where is interpreter when he is really, really needed?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-09-16   19:38:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: buckeroo (#0)

According to Christian numerologist David Meade,

Looking at Amazon, I see he has several Planet X books.

  • Planet X - The 2017 Arrival (2016, $3.99 Kindle, $11.69 paperback)
  • Will Planet X Signal the Rapture? (2016)
  • Planet X - God's Endgame (2013)
  • The Coming Clinton Economic Collapse (2016)
  • The Coup D'état Against President Donald J. Trump (2017)
  • Hitler's Escape to Argentina (2015)
  • The Prepper's Guide to Surviving EMP Attacks, Solar Flares and Grid Failures (2017)

I prophesy that all these Planet X books will go on sale on September 24. And why do you need a new 2017 prepper guide if Earth is going to be destroyed this month? Is it possible the writer doesn't believe what he wrote in those Planet X books after all?

I notice that the book about the Clinton economic collapse didn't pan out for him so he moved on to writing one about a coup against Trump.

Even so, bucky, you'd better order these Planet X books and repent before it's too late.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-16   19:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#4. To: buckeroo (#2)

Where is interpreter when he is really, really needed?

Off reserving his seat on the Mars space elevator? I've heard it's shaped like a pyramid. So exciting!

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-16   19:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: Tooconservative (#3) (Edited)

The Prepper's Guide to Surviving EMP Attacks, Solar Flares and Grid Failures (2017)

That looks like the only worthwhile book on the list.

I'm assuming that building a Faraday Cage is first on the list of things to do.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-09-16   19:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#6. To: Deckard (#5)

I'm assuming that building a Faraday Cage is first on the list of things to do.

Naw. We all need tin foil hats FIRST!

buckeroo  posted on  2017-09-16   20:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#7. To: buckeroo (#0)

Note to self: Call broker Monday. Buy short term bonds. Real short term.

kenh  posted on  2017-09-16   23:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#8. To: buckeroo (#0)

Biblical prophecy claims the world will end on Sept. 23, Christian numerologists claim

It won't affect me. I'm planning to be out of town that weekend.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-17   0:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#9. To: rlk (#8)

Good thinking. LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-17   2:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#10. To: buckeroo (#0)

Noone know the time or day of the end. Only God does.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-09-17   3:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#11. To: goldilucky (#10)

Noone know the time or day of the end. Only God does.

Only the Father.

Matthew 24:
    36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    37For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-17   8:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#12. To: Tooconservative (#11)

Amen to that

goldilucky  posted on  2017-09-17   14:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#13. To: buckeroo (#0)

Christian numerologists claim

I had no idea there was such a thing as Christian Numerologists.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-17   20:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#14. To: sneakypete (#13)

Sure. There always were.

You see examples where people try to add up the letters of a name to get some special info. Like "Nero Redivivus" = 666.

If there’s one part of the Bible virtually everyone has heard of, it’s 666—the “number of Beast.” And if there’s one thing no one can agree upon, it’s what that number stands for. We find the number in Revelation 13:18: “let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.” The wording here is important: John tells readers that the number needs to be “calculated,” which means there must be a hidden meaning behind it. But how do we calculate it?

One option for solving this biblical riddle is gematria, the idea that numbers have symbolic meaning. While some have called gematria a tool for speculation, it actually derives from an ancient convention in languages like Greek and Hebrew where letters of the alphabet are used to represent numbers.

When it comes to 666, one gematria explanation is that the number represents Nero Caesar. The Greek Neron Kaisar adds up to 1,005, but when the name is transliterated into the Hebrew letters nrwn qsr, the sum is 666. Nero Caesar also would explain the variant number of the Beast (616) found in some New Testament manuscripts. Transliterating the Latin Nero Caesar into Hebrew, nrw qsr, yields 616, suggesting John may have been thinking of the well-known Nero Redivivus myth when writing about the Beast (i.e., that Nero would rise from the dead to destroy Christians).

The gematria solution presents three major problems: it could be viewed as cheating with the spellings (the usual Hebrew spelling for Caesar is q’st, not qsr, although the qsr form does exist). It assumes that readers knew Hebrew well enough to do the transliteration from Greek back into Hebrew. And, perhaps most tellingly, the early Christian commentators who knew of the Nero Redivivus myth never identified 666 with Nero.

The Nero Redivivus myth was the ancient belief that Nero either never died but just fled to rebuild his army or that he died but would be resurrected and return to persecute the Christian church. Hence, the focus on Nero and 666.

Other Christian numerology exercises involve prophecy and calendars, to calculate the beginnings and endings of an age, to predict major prophetic events, etc.

Then you have other similar practices, like the Bible codes. Also you have bibliomancy, where you practice divination (although the bible seems to forbid it) by letting a bible fall open and dropping your finger on the page to see what verse you find (the Christian version of the Ouija board IMO).

One of the interesting features of Hebrew and Greek is that in both written languages there are no numeric characters. Where we have numbers and letters, they have only letters. So, in each language the letters are also used as numbers. In a small way we do the same thing in English. For example, is "O" a zero or a letter in the alphabet? Is "l" a one or a small L? When they are used, the context tells us which is which; and we have no problem understanding it. The same goes for Hebrew and Greek. They knew when they were writing numbers and when they were writing letters.

The interesting thing is that when a word is written, it also has a numeric equivalent. For example, the word "Jesus" in Greek is iasous. Since each letter has a numeric equivalent, we can add up each number and get a value. The value is the gammatria. Therefore, the gammatria of "Jesus" in Greek is 888 because i = 10, a = 8, s = 200, o = 70, u = 400, s = 200. There are many interesting 'games' that can be played with this feature of Greek and Hebrew, and much of it is absurd. However, some of the numeric relationships are interesting.

So we see from the above that Christians are commanded to determine who the Antichrist is by calculating the number of his name. And that classical Greek and Hebrew both lend themselves readily to such uses since they use letters as numbers.

Then there are the lucky and unlucky numbers of Christianity.

So we can see there is a very long history of numerology in Judaism and in Christianity.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-18   15:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#15. To: Tooconservative (#14)

Then there are the lucky and unlucky numbers of Christianity.

So we can see there is a very long history of numerology in Judaism and in Christianity.

Thank you for the correction.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-18   15:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#16. To: Tooconservative (#14)

Oh i had heard this stuff awhile back in a lecture describing why the Pope was the antichist.

However, with the new Pope, I have to wonder.....

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-09-19   10:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#17. To: no gnu taxes (#16)

Oh i had heard this stuff awhile back in a lecture describing why the Pope was the antichist.

Well, some of that was based on the discredited "Prophecy of the Popes" of a last pope named Peter The Roman, all circulated supposedly by an old Irish archbishop/saint named Malachy.

When Pope Frank The Hippie Pope chose the name Francis, it finally broke that particular "prophecy" all to hell.

However, we can engage in a close reading and some reasoning to determine that this is not necessarily true.

In recent times some interpreters of prophetic literature have drawn attention to the prophecies due to their imminent conclusion; if the list of descriptions is matched on a one-to-one basis to the list of historic popes since the prophecies' publication, Benedict XVI (2005–13) would correspond to the second to last of the papal descriptions, Gloria olivae (the glory of the olive).[15] The longest and final prophecy predicts the Apocalypse:[16]
In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit. Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus, quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & judex tremendus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
This may be translated into English as:
In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop]. Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.[17]
Several historians and interpreters of the prophecies note that they leave open the possibility of unlisted popes between "the glory of the olive" and the final pope, "Peter the Roman".[6][18] In the Lignum Vitae, the line In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit. forms a separate sentence and paragraph of its own. While often read as part of the "Peter the Roman" prophecy, other interpreters view it as a separate, incomplete sentence explicitly referring to one or more popes between "the glory of the olive" and "Peter the Roman".[1]
Since Benedict XVI resigned his office due to infirmity, some believe that Pope Frank is not a true pope but a particular variety of antipope. Therefore it would be the next pope after Pope Frank that would be Petrus Romanus, (Peter the Roman).

Well, we'll see.     : )

The Malachy prophecy is also said by some to be a forgery intended to firm the bid of a particular cardinal in the 17th century to a claim on the papal throne. Not everyone is convinced.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   11:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)

This was based on actual numbers. It was offered by the Seventh Day Adventist Church. The argument, they suggested, was based on the Papacy, not any particular pope. It dated back to the book of Daniel. They chose to show why the number 666 was associated with the Papacy.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-09-20   11:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#19. To: no gnu taxes (#18)

Well, my point was to establish the ongoing attraction to various flavors of numerology in the ancient churches through the medieval era and the Renaissance and into the modern era. It is far more constant than is generally known.

I tossed in the Malachy prophecy because it amuses me that, after Pope Frank ruined their fun by choosing the name Francis, they found a way to argue that Pope Frank is just a placeholder because B16 is still alive and is still the "true pope". So they can keep hoping that some time after B16 dies, there will be a new pope who will choose the name of Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman). I've always enjoyed the various pope/antipope controversies, again, a subject that is not broadly known but that has existed from ancient times.

I do think the Malachy prophecy was a forgery intended to help a medieval cardinal become pope (which didn't happen BTW).

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-20   11:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#20. To: Tooconservative (#19)

Well, I never accepted the argument. Geez, you can do anything with numbers if you really want to.

Look, you can peel back the layers of any church, and find core humanist beliefs.

However with this current pope....

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-09-20   11:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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