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Published: Jan 10, 2018
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Post Date: 2018-01-10 10:12:55 by Stoner
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Well, after the meeting yesterday, between Pres Trump, and Democrat & Republican Congressional leaders, where it appears Trump is not going to object to DACA, and he stated the next phase would be getting " Comprehensive Immigration Reform ". Trump even stated he would sign " anything " they send him.

Well LFers, what do you all think ???

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#1. To: Stoner (#0)

I think everything is going to be ok.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Trump is doing a great job so far.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-10   10:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stoner (#0)

Trump is not going to object to DACA, and he stated the next phase would be getting " Comprehensive Immigration Reform "

Is that the same "reform" that Bush and Obama both supported?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-10   10:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Stoner (#0)

Well, after the meeting yesterday, between Pres Trump, and Democrat & Republican Congressional leaders, where it appears Trump is not going to object to DACA, and he stated the next phase would be getting " Comprehensive Immigration Reform ". Trump even stated he would sign " anything " they send him.

I think that Trump knows how to negotiate. He wants a Wall, there will be a Wall. He knows that the Democrats have played rope-a-dope on the matter, with complicit Republicans, for decades. He's not going to fall of anything.

So, what will come out of the deal is that the "Dreamers" stay, and the funding for the wall is granted and proceeds.

- And the Left wing media trumpets a Trump defeat, while the Right-wing media brays that Trump "sold out".

Trump has done a very good job at getting what he wants. Part of that is dazzling the opposition with a variety of negotiating positions and possibility. Trump is interested in winning what HE wants, and he has always been willing to resort to bullshit, yarn-spinning, tale-telling and outright lying in order to do it.

That's why he is a devastatingly effective businessman, entertainment mogul and politician. Everybody lies. Trump knows how to use lies to achieve his objectives.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-10   10:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

Everybody doesn't lie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-10   10:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Stoner, Bill of Love, President Trump, Amnesty Don, *Border Invasion* (#0)

Well LFers, what do you all think ???

Too much winning, STOP!

Hillary, Donald, and Jeb! "just want to provide for their family", so whatever they do is OK? It's all "An Act of Love". /s


Trump Appears to Endorse Path to Citizenship for Millions of Immigrants (NY Slimes)

  • Trump Seeks a ‘Bill of Love’ With Immigration Deal
  • President Trump said legislation around an immigration overhaul should come from love, while also pushing for stronger security measures.

    WASHINGTON — President Trump on Tuesday appeared open to negotiating a sweeping immigration deal that would eventually grant millions of undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship, declaring that he was willing to “take the heat” politically for an approach that seemed to flatly contradict the anti-immigration stance that charged his political rise.

    The president made the remarks during an extended meeting with congressional Republicans and Democrats who are weighing a shorter-term agreement that would extend legal status for undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children. The 90-minute session — more than half of which played out on national television — appeared to produce some progress: Mr. Trump agreed to a framework for a short-term immigration deal to couple protection for young, undocumented immigrants with border security.

    But in suggesting that a broader immigration measure was possible next, Mr. Trump was giving a rare public glimpse of an impulse he has expressed privately to advisers and lawmakers — the desire to preside over a more far-reaching solution to the status of the 11 million undocumented immigrants already living and working in the United States. Passage of a comprehensive immigration law would give Mr. Trump success where Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush failed.

    The push for an immigration deal with Democrats has the potential to alienate the hard-line anti-immigration activists who powered his political rise and helped him win the presidency, many of whom have described it as amnesty for lawbreakers. If he succeeds, it could be compared to Richard Nixon’s historic trip to China. Only an anti-Communist hard-liner could have made the opening acceptable to his supporters.

    If he fails, it would be more like Ronald Reagan in Reykjavik, Iceland, where he suggested eliminating much of the United States and Soviet nuclear arsenal, a momentary glimmer of idealism that was crushed by a backlash from his own party.

    Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, floated the idea of a broader immigration deal during the meeting in the White House Cabinet Room on Tuesday, making clear that it would have to include a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants already in the country.

    Mr. Trump replied: “If you want to take it that further step, I’ll take the heat. I will take all the heat. You are not that far away from comprehensive immigration reform.”

    Lawmakers from both parties were taken aback by the president’s words.

    “My head is spinning with all the things that were said by the president and others in that room in the course of an hour and a half,” said Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who has been leading the talks.

    The president has been known to make conflicting or contradictory statements on complex policy issues, only to walk them back or change his mind. White House officials declined to provide specifics about what kind of immigration overhaul the president would favor, saying he was focused on the shorter-term measure that would shield undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children from deportation, in exchange for more border agents and a down payment on a border wall.

    ........

hondo68  posted on  2018-01-10   11:56:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#5)

Jeb Still Believes Illegal Immigration 'Act of Love'

Love is Hate.

Ignorance is Strength.

Freedom is Slavery.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-10   12:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#6)

Affordable Care is Expensive.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-01-10   12:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Everybody doesn't lie.

True. Babies don't.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-10   12:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: hondo68 (#5)

That's all fine. As long as the Wall gets built and the Border is enforced, the flow will stop. That's the key: we've got to stop the flow.

The Dreamers are already here, already part of the system. It would be immensely cruel to rip them up and deport them. I know that many don't care about that. But more do, which means you can't get a sniff of anything ELSE you want if you insist on their deportation.

The political will, and power, does not exist - the numbers do not exist - to force a deportation of the Dreamers and a Wall. Trump knows that, and he doesn't want to deport the Dreamers anyway, never did. He made that obvious during the campaign, and he hasn't changed his mind.

At the end of the day, the Dreamers stay. No matter how much the Right, the Far Right, the Nationalists, the Nativists bleed out the eyes, there are not enough of them to be able to break the will of the majority on that matter. The Dreamers stay.

The question is simple: Do you want to stop the immigration inflow. THAT can be done, as part of a grand compromise. THAT is what is needed to save the culture, long term. There is room to maneuver there, by playing off the DACA desires against the border security desires, and NOT getting rolled like Reagan.

That's doable.

Throwing out all of the Dreamers? Never gonna happen. No matter how painful that reality is, it is reality. But the fear of action against the Dreamers is sufficient to drag concessions from the Democrats and the pro- immigration Republicans.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-10   12:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Stoner (#0)

I hope Trump is setting up to double-cross the vile democRats in the same manner they double-crossed Ronald Reagan, then tells them to shove it up their baracks when they whine about it.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-01-10   14:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

As long as the Wall gets built and the Border is enforced, the flow will stop. That's the key: we've got to stop the flow.

Better than a wall IMO is cutting off the gov cheese aka freebies for non-citizens. Cut out the illegal alien support structure, no drivers licenses, no gov schooling, no medical care except for a tourniquet if the blood is shooting out. Send them back to where they belong for those and many more services.

And do it quickly, that illegal alien with the tourniquet needs more medical attention! The wall is costly and really more of a deterrent than a way to stop illegal entry. Cutting off freebies and deporting will be a HUGE financial windfall. Brace yourself for a massive tax cut and a rebate too.

Unfortunately it'll never happen with the D&R globalist party running the show. It's always America Last, with Trump and the Deep State crew.

hondo68  posted on  2018-01-10   14:20:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

At the end of the day, the Dreamers stay. No matter how much the Right, the Far Right, the Nationalists, the Nativists bleed out the eyes, there are not enough of them to be able to break the will of the majority on that matter. The Dreamers stay.

They can be deported, no matter how many times people repeat this nonsense that we can't deport so many.

Of course we can.

And the longer it takes for the parties to make a deal, the more likely it is that ICE will just start arresting and deporting them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-10   14:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Stoner (#0) (Edited)

What Does Everyone Think ?

People in this deteriorated country don't think. They feel and make up lies to support their irrational feelings. With unfettered free immigration of genetic primitives the average IQ is about 85 and sliding downward.

rlk  posted on  2018-01-10   15:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hondo68 (#5)

Trump Seeks a ‘Bill of Love’ With Immigration Deal

Stick the love up your ass. We can't live in a society rejecting reality while people slobber over each other.

rlk  posted on  2018-01-10   15:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rlk (#14)

I think Trump is putting everything in place to insure Democrat President from now to infinity !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

Stoner  posted on  2018-01-10   17:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rlk (#14)

" Trump Seeks a ‘Bill of Love’ With Immigration Deal

Stick the love up your ass. "

LOL, Robert, I like your sentiments !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

Stoner  posted on  2018-01-10   17:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Stoner (#0)

As always, it's give to get. I believe Trump will give a lot less than he gets.

Out of all the border issues, DACA seems to be the least problem of them all. Let's make them snowflakes smile... while we build that big beautiful WALL.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-10   17:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: hondo68 (#11)

From the picture, the captions of the four on the two couches:

"Boy, that sure was easy !!"

Trump: " Well, I didn't want a second term anyway! Wonder what the history books will say about me ? "

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

Stoner  posted on  2018-01-10   17:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GrandIsland (#17)

" Let's make them snowflakes smile... while we build that big beautiful WALL. "

I sure hope you are right !!!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

Stoner  posted on  2018-01-10   17:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative (#12)

They can be deported, no matter how many times people repeat this nonsense that we can't deport so many.

Of course we can.

And the longer it takes for the parties to make a deal, the more likely it is that ICE will just start arresting and deporting them.

For that to happen, your Republicans have to be willing. They control both Houses of Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court.

No Democrat support is needed. If the Republicans WANTED to deport the Dreamers and build the Wall, it would be happening already.

It's not, because they don't.

So, either the Border stays open, the Dreamers stay and the Wall never gets built, because the Republicans won't do anything, OR Trump gives the Republicans ENOUGH that they will give him the Wall. He will have to drive a hard bargain with the Republicans to get that, and he will have to insist on quid pro quo, not that he act first and they get around to not giving him what he bargained for, as happened to Reagan.

But in the end, this is all a negotiation WITHIN the Republican party. The Democrats are there to claim credit for any good points that come out (from their perspective). Because so many powerful Republicans actually agree with the Democrats, the question is whether enough of them can be turned to accept a compromise. If not, then the Border will stay open and the immigration train will continue.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-10   20:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#6)

Jeb Still Believes Illegal Immigration 'Act of Love'

JEB believes whatever his Mexican wife and Globalist mother tell him to believe

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-10   21:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

what will come out of the deal is that the "Dreamers" stay, and the funding for the wall is granted and proceeds..........

"...Rand Paul: 'We don't have money to spend' for Trump's border wall... -

Now the vote is 50 - 50 with Senator McCain in no condition to participate...

...and with another looming shut-down date next week.....

Advantage - democrats - both sides will agree to kick the can down the road....

and 45 will sign whatever he is given....

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2018-01-11   7:40:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

" the Border will stay open and the immigration train will continue. "

BINGO !!!

Are you as impressed with that 24 D Chess as I am ?? /sarc

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

Stoner  posted on  2018-01-11   8:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jameson (#22)

That isn't what Rand Paul said.

More proof that liberals are degenerate liars.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-11   8:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/368354-rand-paul-we-dont-have-money-to- spend- for-trumps-border-wall

“And while I will vote for money for barriers, I’m not voting for $40 billion for barriers,” Paul added.

Doesn't sound like he's a supporter of a "big beautiful wall"...

When will the check from Mexico be arriving?

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2018-01-11   8:32:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jameson (#25)

And while I will vote for money for barriers, I’m not voting for $40 billion for barriers,” Paul added. Doesn't sound like he's a supporter of a "big beautiful wall"...

40 billion isn't needed. Trump is asking for 18 billion.

Paul being a great Senator wants to keep the pork out.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-11   8:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jameson (#25)

When will the check from Mexico be arriving?

That will come later by remittance tax or some other form.

Even if they never paid it would save us trillions over time.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-11   8:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Paul being a great Senator wants to keep the pork out

"...wants to keep the pork out..."

If accurate, he will vote against any spending for walls, barriers, gates, fences, etc.

All can be overcome fairly easily, are prohibitively expensive, and will never be finished.

Remember Duh-byuh's border fence?

There will never be a wall.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2018-01-11   9:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Even if they never paid it would save us trillions over time.

please show your work.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2018-01-11   9:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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