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Title: Amash, Paul, and Others Trying to Stop Congress from Expanding Domestic Surveillance Powers (FISA Reauthorization)
Source: Reason
URL Source: https://reason.com/blog/2018/01/10/ ... -and-others-trying-to-stop-con
Published: Jan 10, 2018
Author: Scott Shackford
Post Date: 2018-01-10 18:14:39 by hondo68
Keywords: 42 lawmakers, FISA, renew Section 702, snoop on American citizens
Views: 164
Comments: 15

House to vote on a bill that would codify unwarranted searches of Americans' communications.

Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, Rand Paul
Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call/Newscom

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) and a bipartisan group of 42 lawmakers are going to try to stop Congress from expanding the feds' ability to snoop on American citizens. If they fail, Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is threatening a filibuster in the Senate.

This week the House is considering legislation to renew Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments. This law grants intelligence agencies the authority to snoop on foreign targets on foreign soil without warrants, overseen by a secretive FISA court.

This is done in the name of stopping espionage and terrorism. But the surveillance powers have also been secretly used on Americans to track down evidence of other crimes, without a warrant, circumventing both the Fourth Amendment and the FISA Amendments' stated intent.

"We think that is unconstitutional, hugely problematic, and we're here to defend the rights of the American people," Amash said this morning at a press conference attended by members of both parties in both houses of Congress.

Section 702 had been set to expire at the end of 2017 if it was not renewed. But several lawmakers refused to vote for its renewal unless it is reformed to protect Americans against warrantless surveillance. Unable to reach an agreement, lawmakers kicked the can down the road and just renewed Section 702 unchanged until January 19. Tomorrow, the House may take up one proposed renewal bill.

Unfortunately, the bill they're considering is absolutely awful. The FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017—pushed by the intelligence committees of both the House and the Senate—explicitly authorizes the exact violations of citizens' privacy that Amash and company are trying to stop. Rather than demanding that the FBI and NSA get warrants before they access Americans' private data and communications, it does the opposite: It gives the feds formal permission to snoop on citizens for a list of federal crimes without getting a warrant first.

Amash has introduced a substitute amendment in the House that would replace the text with the contents of the USA RIGHTS Act. This is an alternative bill sponsored by Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) in the Senate and by Amash, Ted Poe (R-Texas), and Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) in the House.

The USA Rights Act would restrain the feds from using information collected in secret unwarranted FISA searches as evidence in court cases. It would also forbid "about" searches, where feds snoop on communications that are "about" a target as opposed to just communications to and from that target. And it would forbid "reverse targeting," where the feds snoop on foreign targets for the purpose of accessing the communications of the Americans talking to them.

At today's press conference, Paul said he would filibuster any plan to renew Section 702 without warrant protections for Americans. To judge from the turnout this morning, it looks like he won't be alone if he does.

I've written extensively about the difference between these two bills under consideration and what they do. If you need a refresher, check out this primer. Or read what Paul himself had to say at Reason about FISA reauthorization here.


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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Amash just doesn't want his Muslim buddies to be overheard.

Amash is a racist.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-10   18:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin, GrandIsland, Sneak and Peek, Cucks (#1)

Trump wants a copy of the sexting Tweets between Gatlin, John McCain and Joe Lieberman, not to mention Lindsey Graham and GrandIsland.

hondo68  posted on  2018-01-10   18:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Amash just doesn't want his Muslim buddies to be overheard.

Right, because the gooberment is only spying on muslims.

Can you possibly be any more of a useful idiot for the police state.

This affects ALL Americans, including you.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-10   18:35:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#0)

This law grants intelligence agencies the authority to snoop on foreign targets on foreign soil without warrants, overseen by a secretive FISA court.

Foreign people on foreign lands, imho don't deserve constitutional protections. We should be waterboarding ALL non American captives that are suspected of terroristic acts or a threat to America.

Feeling sorry for "foreigners" is a weakness.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-10   19:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#3)

For most people, sympathy is a weakness. For a kook like you, it's Paultard paranoia

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-10   19:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland (#4)

كافر المسلح

Feeling sorry for "foreigners" is a weakness

You're so right Muhammad.

hondo68  posted on  2018-01-10   19:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68 (#6)

Shut your knob bobber... Hondope.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-10   19:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Amash just doesn't want his Muslim buddies to be overheard.

Amash is a racist.

Most Muslims are Asians. About two-thirds of Muslims live in the Asia/Pacific region, not in the Mideast (referred to by much of the rest of the world as "west Asia"). We shouldn't take all these categories at more than face value or discount how they lump a lot of people together indiscriminately and often with political motives.

"Arab" is not a race. Arabs (people originating from the Arabian peninsula and its former colonies in the Mideast) are whites, according to the Census Bureau. Most people do consider them an ethnic group in much the same way that Italians or Greeks or Irish might considered ethnic groups in America.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-10   23:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch (#8)

talians or Greeks or Irish might considered ethnic groups in America

Senator Rand Paul & Senator Ron Wyden join Representative Justin Amash of the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch

hondo68  posted on  2018-01-11   0:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68 (#9)

Amash's family was what the media calls Palestinian.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-11   1:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative (#10)

Amash's family was what the media calls Palestinian.

The first thing he's going to do after he's elected president in 2020 is to move the Palestinian embassy to Jerusalem.

Proposed US embassy to Palestinian, in Jerusalem

hondo68  posted on  2018-01-11   7:25:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: hondo68 (#11)

We don't have a Palestinian embassy since they aren't a country and never were.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-11   9:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative, Justin Amash 2020, *2020 The Likely Suspects* (#12)

We don't have a Palestinian embassy

Patience grasshopper, President Justin Amash will be inaugurated in January 2021.

hondo68  posted on  2018-01-11   9:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative, Philistines, Holy Bible (#12) (Edited)


Source: US gov

aren't a country and never were

You see Philistia near Bethlehem and Jerusalem? That's Palestine.

Isn't that territory currently under occupation by State of Israel claim jumpers?

hondo68  posted on  2018-01-11   10:00:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: hondo68 (#14)

You see Philistia near Bethlehem and Jerusalem? That's Palestine.

Now I'm dreaming fondly of Trump tweeting about why we shouldn't have diplo relations with the Philistines or sending that Philistine terror state any foreign aid.

It would be epic, even for Drumpf.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-11   11:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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