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Title: Revolt: Three EU nations block resolution meant to "embarrass and isolate" the White House
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05 ... embarrass-isolate-white-house/
Published: May 13, 2018
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2018-05-13 11:22:43 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 564
Comments: 43

Preparations are underway for the grand opening of the new United States embassy to Israel in Jerusalem. While the President won’t be able to attend as he prepares for his summit with North Korea, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have arrived to do the honors along with a number of other delegates. But not everyone is quite so thrilled with this development, particularly in some parts of the European Union. They were preparing to put forward a resolution condemning the embassy move, delivering a statement which was explicitly designed to “embarrass and isolate the Trump administration” ahead of the ceremony.

That nasty little poison pill fell apart this weekend, however, when three member nations blocked the resolution. The objection was led by Hungary, which was quickly joined by Romania and the Czech Republic. (Axios)
Hungary, the Czech Republic and Romania, in coordination with Israel, today blocked a joint EU statement criticizing the relocation of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, Israeli officials and European diplomats told me.

Behind the scenes: The initiative to publish the statement was led by France and several other EU member states. Israeli officials say the goal was to present to the U.S. a common position against the move by all 28 member states, and to embarrass and isolate the Trump administration ahead of Monday’s ceremony.

It turns out that the driving force behind the original resolution was French President Emmanuel Macron. Nice ally, eh? And it was only a few weeks ago that he was over here getting all touchy-feely with Trump amid speculation that he was playing some sort of flattery game to advance his position with the United States. So it’s perhaps not all that surprising that the revolt would be led by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban who has been no fan of the socialist bent of the European Union and frequently acted as a thorn in the side of Brussels.

It’s also unsurprising that the Czechs and the Romanians would join in with Orban on this. Both countries are currently reviewing plans to possibly move their embassies to Jerusalem as well. That put a bit of a damper on the three points listed in the resolution, which were as follows:

  • Jerusalem should be the capital of both states — Israel and the future state of Palestine.
  • The final status of Jerusalem should be negotiated and only determined through negotiations between the parties.
  • The member states of the EU will not follow the U.S. and will not move their embassies to Jerusalem.

Here’s one question for Macron and the rest of the EU leaders who were prepared to go along with this insult. Why is it anyone’s business where the U.S. Embassy to Isreal is located except for the United States and Israel? The embassy can be wherever both countries mutually decide it should be. And trying to tell us where to locate our embassy looks rather embarrassing for Brussels when they can’t even enforce such an order on their own member nations. Perhpas minding your own business would be the better course of action here.


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Too funny to see the EU's smelly little plot to embarrass Trump so deftly foiled by Orban.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

The Trump WH is a culture of raw sewage... There is nothing that anybody can say or do that would insult them... they just merely absorb & wallow in the slimey shit that they embrace as a protective barrier...

Willie Green  posted on  2018-05-13   11:38:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#1)

I thought it was funny to see Orban crap all over Macron's petty plot to grab a few cheap headlines.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-13   11:51:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)

I thought it was funny to see Orban crap all over Macron's petty plot to grab a few cheap headlines.

The EU thought it was admitting satellites.

But the NATO alliance is led by the USA, not Brussels.

The smaller states of the East that joined both did not intend to be freed of the Soviets only to hand their countries over to the French, British and Germans. They intend to be free states - protected by NATO - and rich states - economically within the EU.

And they are perfectly willing to play their security chief, the USA, off against their economic chiefs, in Brussels, to make their own way forward.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   9:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3) (Edited)

I just was into the schadenfreude when those eastern states flipped them off and ruined their little scheme to condemn the new US embassy with a "unified voice".

I wouldn't be surprised if these three countries announce they are ready to move their embassies as well. And I bet the Israelis will give them a prime embassy location too.

Trump and Bibi have paved the way for this with advance work. The Romanian prez got an early WH visit with Trump. The Czechs and Hungarians are also recognized. And Israeli diplomacy is quite strong in eastern Europe. Bibi had a very successful tour in Hungary last year, spent 3-4 days there, right around the time they were passing laws to ban Soros and his subversive organizations. Israel is helping the Romanians try to establish a little Silicon Valley of their own, a regional tech hub like the ones that have worked well for Finland.

I can think of others, like a few of the Baltics, perhaps Austria, moving their embassies as well. When that EU diplomatic dam breaks, it will break fast. In fact, this will pose a key test of EU authority to force members to do its will in foreign policy. The EU bigwigs may regret picking this little diplo fight with eastern Europe and America if it makes the EU look even more toothless and weak.

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Too soon for any stories to be published but AP just tweeted that the USSC struck down all bans on state-sponsored sports betting.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   11:57:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#4) (Edited)

I was looking at a democracy simulator last night, setting all of the policies, laws and taxes for the USA. It was interesting. I don't buy all of the premises built into the game logic, but it does let one simulate all sorts of different things.

Faced with the social issues and their religious and police and policy and law cross-effects, I realized that - when I am at the controls and am able to set the law where my heart and head tell me they should be.

Here's a litany of related issues: Abortion - to save the life of the mother only.

Evolution/Creation - teach both in public school, but heavily favor evolution as the scientific answer.

Same-sex stuff: tolerate it. Don't care.

Gambling: legalize it, no limits. Tax the proceeds as any other income.

Prostitution: legalize it all and tax it as any other income.

Drugs: legalize pot and tax the hell out of it. Keep stronger stuff illegal - too addictive and destructive. - treat drug addiction as a medical issue, not a crime.

Drinking age: 18. Smoking age: 18. Tax the hell out of tobacco and alcohol too.

Prayer and religious symbols in school: permit them, but do not allow schools to force them.

People for whom drinking, smoking (tobacco or pot) and gambling are religious issues would be outraged. Don't care. Their religion is wrong on the matter, and they don't get to rule.

Prostitution and gay shit are immoral in my eyes and the eyes of my religion too. Don't care. We don't live in a theocracy. When my church ruled the roost, we burnt people for heresy and witchcraft. Religious law is not secular law. Religious law cannot be allowed to govern human secular law of sex.

Abortion is murder, so we must stop that.

I am waaaay too tolerant to be either a Protestant or a conservative, or a "good" Catholic. So what?

If people want to gamble, let them gamble. I don't care. It's none of my business. It's not the federal government's business, and it's not really the state or local government's business either.

Since people won't resist the urge to pass laws and can't be persuaded, then having the Supreme Court wipe out all of that namby-pamby moralizing is fine by me. I'm done with it.

Smoke what you want. Fuck whom you want. Throw your money away however you want. I don't care. But don't kill babies. I do care about that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   13:32:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

From time to time, it doesn't hurt to ask yourself not just what is wrong with the laws of the country now but what kind of country you think would work, would be a just and prosperous society.

That's a very libertarian country you're describing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   13:58:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative, . Vicomte13, Y'ALL (#8)

Smoke what you want. Fuck whom you want. Throw your money away however you want. I don't care. But don't kill babies. I do care about that.-- Vicomte13

That's a very libertarian country you're describing. --- TC

Smoke what you want. Fuck whom you want. Throw your money away however you want. I don't care. But don't kill babies, --- knowing that women have the freedom to abort an early term fetus ----- I do care about freedom.--

This is a very libertarian country, a constitutional republic, ---- just as the founders intended....

tpaine  posted on  2018-05-14   15:11:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tpaine (#12)

But don't kill babies, --- knowing that women have the freedom to abort an early term fetus

A fetus is a baby. No. You cannot kill it. Women have no right to solve a contraception issue by killing an unborn baby. As a society we DO have to provide the medical, educational, and eventual child care and job structure so that baby's mother can support it, and the baby can grow up to make better decisions and to go as high as his merit will allow him to go.

We do not kill people for convenience. Or to get stem cells. Or at all.

That's the difference between your libertarian constitutional republic, and a constitutional republic that puts primary value on human life. I support the latter. The former - which is the current state of affairs - is not acceptable to me.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   15:33:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13, y'all (#15)

Smoke what you want. Fuck whom you want. Throw your money away however you want. I don't care. But don't kill babies, --- knowing that women have the freedom to abort an early term fetus ----- I do care about freedom.--

This is a very libertarian country, a constitutional republic, ---- just as the founders intended. --- tpaine _------------------------------------

A fetus is a baby. No. You cannot kill it. Women have no right to solve a contraception issue by killing an unborn baby. ----

As a society we DO have to provide the medical, educational, and eventual child care and job structure so that baby's mother can support it, and the baby can grow up to make better decisions and to go as high as his merit will allow him to go. --- Vic

A fetus is not a baby. It is a group of living cells that have the potential to become a baby. ---- Many fetuses do not live, due to natural causes. --- Women have the right to solve a contraception issue by rejecting the fetus (aborting) before viablity, according to law. --- This law is not 'moral', according to many religions, who have the free speech right to oppose the issue.

-- They do not, nor do governments, have the right to sequester a pregnant woman to require a live birth...

Our rich republic has decided to provide the medical, educational, and eventual child care and job structure so that baby's mother can support it, and the baby can grow up to make better decisions and to go as high as his merit will allow him to go. -- I reluctantly accept this reality..

--- Most of the world does not yet have the resources to do so. -- Thus, --- they should limit their populations, correct?

tpaine  posted on  2018-05-14   17:25:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: tpaine (#24)

A fetus is not a baby.

A fetus is a baby, and must be protected from conception to natural death.

No compromise is possible. Currently, your side prevails, by force. You will prevail as long as you have the force to prevail. If we gain the upper hand, then we will prevail, also by force.

Nobody is moving an inch, nobody persuades anybody. This is settled by the power of the gun in the hands of the police. And what the police do is settled by the Supreme Court.

The rule of 5. Get one more justice up there, or two, to replace Ginsburg and Kennedy, and there will be 5 pro-lifers. Then Roe can go down.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   18:41:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

A fetus is a baby, and must be protected from conception to natural death.

No compromise is possible. Currently, your side prevails, by force. You will prevail as long as you have the force to prevail. If we gain the upper hand, then we will prevail, also by force.

Nobody is moving an inch, nobody persuades anybody. This is settled by the power of the gun in the hands of the police. And what the police do is settled by the Supreme Court.

The rule of 5. Get one more justice up there, or two, to replace Ginsburg and Kennedy, and there will be 5 pro-lifers. Then Roe can go down

A fetus is not a baby. It is a group of living cells that have the potential to become a baby. ---- Many fetuses do not live, due to natural causes. ---

--- Women have the right to solve a contraception issue by rejecting the fetus (aborting) before viablity, according to law. --- This law is not 'moral', according to many religions, who have the free speech right to oppose the issue.

-- Religious people do not, nor do governments, have the right to sequester a pregnant woman to require a live birth...

There is very little, if any, force involved in abortion law. You claim my -- "side prevails, by force. --- If we gain the upper hand, then we will prevail, also by force." - -- Bold statement. -- Do you really think government could force/jail pregnant women to term, until birth?

To my knowledge, no woman has ever been convicted of manslaughter of her own fetus. ------ Why do you suppose this is so?

tpaine  posted on  2018-05-14   23:10:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: tpaine (#37) (Edited)

A fetus is a human being. If you support murdering humann beings then I support you being murdered too. It is fair.

Also all abortion supporters are pieces of shit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-05-15   6:52:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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