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Title: Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect identified as Dimitrios Pagourtzis
Source: CBS News
URL Source: http://dbsnews
Published: May 19, 2018
Author: Crimesider Staff
Post Date: 2018-05-19 07:42:20 by IbJensen
Keywords: None
Views: 223
Comments: 31

SANTA FE, Texas -- The suspect in a deadly shooting rampage at a Texas high school Friday morning has been identified as 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, officials say. Ten people were killed and 10 others wounded in the shooting Friday morning at Santa Fe High School south of Houston, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said.

The suspected shooter, who was in custody, also had explosive devices, including a molotov cocktail, that were found in the school and nearby, said Gov. Greg Abbott, who called the assault "one of the most heinous attacks that we've ever seen in the history of Texas schools." Police found pressure cookers and pipe bombs around the school, one law enforcement source told CBS News.

Pagourtzis has been booked into the Galveston County jail and is being held with no bond on charges of capital murder and aggravated assault of a peace officer. Additional charges may follow, according to the Galveston County Sheriff's Office.

A substitute teacher and several students were among the dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton.

Students described Pagourtzis as quiet and "weird" because a long trench coat was part of his wardrobe, even on days when the temperature neared 90 degrees, CBS News' Omar Villafranca reports. His motive is still unclear.

A federal law enforcement source said there was still an active search for explosives, CBS News justice and homeland security correspondent Jeff Pegues reports. Several law enforcement agencies are searching a mobile home less than three miles away from the school where records show the teen lived, CBS affiliate KHOU reports.''

Investigators were in the process of serving search warrants at two residences and the suspect's car, but they were using extreme caution because of the potential for more explosive devices to be uncovered, said Abbott.

Abbott said the suspect had information in journals, on his computer and on cell phones that indicated he wanted to commit the shooting and take his own life afterward. Abbott said the suspect "gave himself up" and told authorities that he did not have the courage to take his own life.

Pagourtzis posted the phrase "Dangerous Days" on social media before the rampage along with a pentagram symbol.

Two weapons were used in the attack, Abbott said -- a shotgun and a .38 revolver, both of which were legally owned by the suspect's father. Abbott said he didn't know whether the father was aware the suspect had taken the guns.

Abbott said federal and state prosecutors would jointly handled the case. Two other people were being questioned, he said, one person who was acting suspiciously at the scene and another who he said may have information and needed to be "fully interviewed."

A school resource officer was shot and injured in the shooting, CBS News has learned. Another law enforcement officer was also reported injured but was not shot.

Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said a male suspect, who he didn't identify, was in custody and a person of interest was detained and questioned. Both were believed to be students at the school.

Pagourtzis played on the junior varsity football team and was a member of a dance squad with a local Greek Orthodox church.

His social media pages showed multiple images of guns. He recently posted a photo wearing a t-shirt reading "Born to Kill" and there were also photos of a long green jacket with Nazi regalia.

Student Damon Rabon told CBSN he was one classroom away from where the shooting happened in the art hall during first period. Rabon said the substitute teacher went out and looked and saw the shooter, who he described as a short male wearing a black trench coat carrying a backpack and armed with a sawed-off shotgun.

Rabon didn't name the shooter but said he believed him to be a former student, either a sophomore or a junior. He described him as a quiet and "weird" type of guy who stood out because he wore a trench coat every day.

Valerie Martin, who teaches at the junior high school in Santa Fe, told the New York Times she had Pagourtzis in her pre-A.P. language arts class last year and saw no warning signs. She described him as bright and said he had participated in the school's competition for a national history contest.

"He was quiet, but he wasn't quiet in a creepy way," Martin told the paper.

She said she has her students write in journals, and never noticed him writing or drawing anything disturbing.

CBSN security analyst Paul Viollis said one major question investigators will look into is why Pagourtzis allegedly opened fire in the art room and whether the class was specifically targeted. Viollis said investigators will also likely seek to determine what websites Pagourtzis visited in the days leading up to the shooting.

Neighbors of the suspect told KHOU that Pagourtzis lived at the mobile home with his family, who usually kept to themselves.

A woman who answered the phone at a number associated with the Pagourtzis family declined to speak with the AP. "Give us our time right now, thank you," she said.

Speaking at a press conference Friday, Sen. Ted Cruz said more would be learned about the suspect in coming days and "what red flags, what warning signs there may have been or may not have been."

"I'm sure we'll have a robust conversation about what more could have been done to prevent this horrible tragedy," Cruz said.

Abbott said any warning signs that did exist were "non-existent or very imperceptible" and said the suspect had no criminal history.

Abbott said that "unlike Parkland, unlike Sutherland Springs, there were not those types of warning signs." He was referring to the Feb. 14 school shooting in Florida and one in November inside a church in a town near San Antonio.


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Another screwup by authorities! He was an odd duck and school, police and parents knew he was a powder leg ready to explode!

The rotten little bastard should be hanged post haste and his lazy parents should hang beside him (1 image)

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#1. To: IbJensen (#0)

The rotten little bastard should be hanged post haste and his lazy parents should hang beside him

Yep. On TV. Let it be a lesson.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-19   10:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: IbJensen (#0)

Well, I have never commented before on a school shooting because, basically they happened in other states and I was naive enough to think they probably would never happen in Texas and especially not Santa Fe which is my neck of the woods.

But this time,I know the shooter and some of the people he shot, so I cannot stay on the sidelines anymore.

I have grandchildren in that school, and my son-n-law teaches at that school, so this time it has hit very very close to home. And I was in Santa Fe yesterday trying to check on my family, to see if they were still alive, but I couldn't get to the high school because that area was blocked off by the police. To make a long story short, my son-n-law and grandkids are OK, thank God. But not their friends. My son-n-law knows the school teacher who was killed, and says she was a good school teacher and a very good person. And a close friend of the nephew of my son-n-law was killed.

When it happened, the nephew (his name is Jason) was sitting in the theater art class which is next to the art class where the shooting occurred. Now let me share a few things about Jason and the shooter, and also the shooter's parents and also the security at the school.

When arrested, the shooter said he didn't shoot anyone that he liked so that his story can be told. He was basically saying that he was bullied at school. Anyhow, he did not shoot up the art class Jason was in because there was kids in there that he liked (including Jason who was not one of the bulliers). Before I go on, let me make it clear that I am not trying to defend what the shooter did, just trying to get in his head.

Anyhow, the poster said his parents should be hung alongside their son. I cant say that I agree that statement. I have often attended the Greek Orthodox Church where the whole family attend Church, and I know for a fact that they raised him right, because, for one thing, the shooter was always in Church, and I often talked with both the parents and the shooter (when he was a youngster and he seemed like a very nice kid, in a beautiful Christian family). I suppose, in hindsight, the parents should have locked-up their guns, but I'm sure they are more surprised than anyone that their kid was capable of committing such a heinous act. Maybe they should be punished with maybe a fine or something, but not "hung." Now let's talk about security at the school. Santa Fe high school is a fairly new school that was equipped with metal detectors at every entrance EXCEPT the back door that the shooter entered. It was supposed to, in theory, be kept locked and therefore did not need a metal detector. But almost needless to say, it was not locked when the shooting occurred. And according to several students, it was left unlocked most of the time. And of course the shooter knew that,and knew that he could get in with his guns. Another contributing factor was that the shooter, in response to being bullied, joined the Neo-NAZI's which is a very evil, Satanic organization. That movement needs to be stamped out everywhere, and especially so in our schools. The shooter should have been kicked out of school as soon as he started wearing the Mark of the Beast (i.e, the Swastika).

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-19   13:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: interpreter (#2)

Santa Fe high school is a fairly new school that was equipped with metal detectors at every entrance EXCEPT the back door that the shooter entered. It was supposed to, in theory, be kept locked and therefore did not need a metal detector. But almost needless to say, it was not locked when the shooting occurred. And according to several students, it was left unlocked most of the time. And of course the shooter knew that,and knew that he could get in with his guns.

It's really not reasonable to expect ironclad security be in place in every school in the country. While sure, it could be done at some schools with really rigid security practices, the effort would be exhaustive, and the fact remains that the percentage of kids who die in school shootings is very tiny compared to all causes of kids deaths.

Even if they had metal detectors on all entrances, what about windows? Couldn't a student place weapons in a back pack or guitar case near a class window, then enter the school and retrieve the weapons from inside? Or for that matter, why not just start the shooting rampage right at the metal detector?

It comes down to practicality. Security has to be practical, and about the only practical thing to do is arm teachers.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-19   14:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#2)

PS, I want to add here one more contributing factor, and a big one. In recent years, the atheists, the biggest evil of all, have taken any and all mention of God out of our public schools. Hopefully, next year, that will change, at least in Texas because Texas very recently changed its policy.The Texas text book committee recently voted to include the "Intelligent Design" view in all the Texas science textbooks alongside of Darwin's view of things. And because I wrote the book on Intelligent Design, I hope and pray that they use my book (Genesus: Why We Are Here) as the primary textbook, or at least incorporate some of my views. But of course, the atheists are vehemently opposed to it, and also the ACLU, and they plan on fighting it at every step of the way, and it may go all the way to the Supreme Court. It is the atheists, more than anything else, who are responsible for all the school shootings (and most of the evil in the world for that matter).

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-19   15:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite, Y'ALL (#3)

--- about the only practical thing to do is arm teachers.

Or, in the cases where teachers refuse to be armed, every classroom would have an armed adult. --- There are plenty of unemployed/retired individuals who, if given incentives like training with a gun to use -- along with a small stipend, insurance etc, --- would volunteer..

In fact, every (non-felon) adult in the USA has a right to bear concealed arms, everywhere, - imho.

And a Presidential Finding could announce that federal law enforcement agencies would enforce/defend that finding in all States/localities against infringements..

Such a 'finding' could solve most of the gun violence in the USA, --- immediately... -------------------- Trump could do it, if he had the guts...

tpaine  posted on  2018-05-19   15:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: interpreter (#4)

It is the atheists, more than anything else, who are responsible for all the school shootings (and most of the evil in the world for that matter).

Obviously we differ on loads of things, but atheism is not at all a problem, and I think far more wars have been started in the name of one religion or another than have been done so in the name of atheism. Many atheists are good, kind & rational people who simply do not see anything more to life than the physical.

As for school shootings, I think we should look at our drugged up youth whom have been taking things like Ritalin and other SSRI's for years to make them "better" students.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-19   16:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tpaine (#5)

Or, in the cases where teachers refuse to be armed, every classroom would have an armed adult.

Every class? That would be a huge number. Again, it has to be a practical number of people. Just having 1/3rd of teachers armed would ensure armed protection is no more than 1 classroom away, usually. Obviously, a lot of killing could be done in the 1-2 minutes it may take for help to arrive in that time, but that's much better than dialing 911.

There are plenty of unemployed/retired individuals who, if given incentives like training with a gun to use -- along with a small stipend, insurance etc, would volunteer.

You just don't want armed adults in a class being so bored they fall asleep, rendering their weapon insecure. Any armed volunteers should be involved in teaching or have some other purpose there, and not just be sitting in a class that bores them to tears as they listen to kids learning how to spell words like "cat". That could be an unsafe situation as well.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-19   16:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: IbJensen (#0)

Well, fine he's another oddball that will be used for control.

Geez, back when I was in school in the 70s, guns were vastly more accessible and this stuff almost never happened.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-05-19   16:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: interpreter (#4)

PS, I want to add here one more contributing factor, and a big one. In recent years, the atheists, the biggest evil of all, have taken any and all mention of God out of our public schools.

Atheists are somehow a contributing factor in school shootings? -- Does this mean, since I'm agnostic, and just not sure about which gods (if any) I should pray to, --- that I too am somehow responsible?

Should I turn myself in for mopery or something equally evil?

tpaine  posted on  2018-05-19   16:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tpaine (#9)

Neo nazi are aTheisTs

Pioneers - Social organizer - engineers

AnarchisTs are The johnny appleseeds

AgnosTics jusT sell guns

To The indians

LoTTa freaks - weirdos - dupes

on the lefTisT pole

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2018-05-19   18:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: interpreter (#2)

I know for a fact that they raised him right,

When the murderer joined the neo-nazis how many knew about that?

Your commentary is pure bullshit and you know that!

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-05-19   18:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: IbJensen, interpreter (#11)

When the murderer joined the neo-nazis how many knew about that?

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Shooter was wearing:

  • Communist symbol
  • Israeli flag
  • Iron cross pin
  • Cthulhu pin
  • Bisexual heart pin

    Your commentary is pure bullshit and you know that!

    I for one appreciate the information that interpreter provided.

    You won't hear any of that on the MSM.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-05-19   19:00:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deckard (#12)

The little asshole was a freak of nature, with his homo pins and Nazi bullshit... and he wonders why he’s bullied.

Add stupid AF, to his oddities.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-05-19   19:15:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite (#6)

Obviously we differ on loads of things, but atheism is not at all a problem, and I think far more wars have been started in the name of one religion or another than have been done so in the name of atheism. Many atheists are good, kind & rational people who simply do not see anything more to life than the physical.

As for school shootings, I think we should look at our drugged up youth whom have been taking things like Ritalin and other SSRI's for years to make them "better" students.

What a load of BS.

Our jails and prisons are way overcrowded with atheists, and they are not the problem? Do you honestly think it is believers in God who are committing the mass shootings, or the burglaries, the armed robberies, and the rapes and drug dealing? Sorry, I'm not buying that. 95 percent of the criminals are either atheists or agnostics, but the vast majority are atheists.

That (people like you espousing atheist BS) is the problem, and not guns or anything else. When I was in school there were no atheists, and there were no mass shootings, so I rest my case. The increase in school shootings is directly proportional to the increase in atheism and the fact that now-days our schools are no longer allowed to even mention God. How can you deny such obvious facts?

Anyhow, my book proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Bible agrees with all the scientific and historical facts And even Darwin's observations. And it should be taught in all public schools and then the mass shootings will stop.

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-20   11:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: IbJensen (#11) (Edited)

"I know for a fact that they raised him right"

When the murderer joined the neo-nazis how many knew about that?

Your commentary is pure bullshit and you know that!

I don't know whether or not his parents knew he had become a Neo-NAZI. Probably not. But they did raise him right. It was obviously our public schools that corrupted him, that is, caused him not to believe (or fear God and/or hell), and definitely not his Christian parents. To say otherwise is absurd, and only an atheist would say what you're saying. Quit trying to blame it on his parents, and blame yourself, how bout it.

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-20   11:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: interpreter (#14)

When I was in school there were no atheists, and there were no mass shootings, so I rest my case

There have always been atheists.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-05-20   11:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#16)

There have always been atheists.

Maybe in your school. I can guarantee you there were no atheists in my school, or (as far as I know) even in the whole town. I was raised in the heart of the Texas Bible belt (and not far from Santa Fe which is also in the Bible Belt). BTW, Santa Fe is so overwhelmingly Christian that when the US Supreme Court said they could not pray before football games, the Santa Fe-ins completely ignored those idiots. They still pray before football games to this day. What are the feds going to do, arrest the whole town? Its the atheists who need to be arrested.

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-20   12:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: interpreter (#14)

Our jails and prisons are way overcrowded with atheists, and they are not the problem? Do you honestly think it is believers in God who are committing the mass shootings, or the burglaries, the armed robberies, and the rapes and drug dealing? Sorry, I'm not buying that. 95 percent of the criminals are either atheists or agnostics, but the vast majority are atheists.

I think it's hard to tell the difference between an atheist and a supposed believer. Church-going is certainly not an accurate indicator. One look at driver behavior while exiting a crowded parking lot after services says as much.

That (people like you espousing atheist BS) is the problem, and not guns or anything else. When I was in school there were no atheists, and there were no mass shootings, so I rest my case.

I'm not an atheist, and your claimed association of changing times is no proof of atheism as a cause of shootings. I could say the same claiming the entry into the "2000's" is the cause of school shootings. When our year began with the digit "1" this just didn't happen so I rest my case.

The increase in school shootings is directly proportional to the increase in atheism and the fact that now-days our schools are no longer allowed to even mention God. How can you deny such obvious facts?

Quite easily.

Anyhow, my book proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Bible agrees with all the scientific and historical facts And even Darwin's observations. And it should be taught in all public schools and then the mass shootings will stop.

This is what gets me about modern Christianity, as promoted by just about all evangelists. It's far more focused on academics than soul. But head knowledge is not what drives people to do evil things. It's instead a twisted heart.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-20   12:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#18)

"95 percent of the criminals are either atheists or agnostics, but the vast majority are atheists."

I think it's hard to tell the difference between an atheist and a supposed believer. Church-going is certainly not an accurate indicator. One look at driver behavior while exiting a crowded parking lot after services says as much.

LOL. I once got into a bit of a road rage incident in the parking lot of a 7-11, but cant say that I've ever seen road rage in the parking lot of a Church. Anyhow, we are talking about mass shootings and serious crimes here, not driver behavior in a Church parking lot.

"That (people like you espousing atheist BS) is the problem, and not guns or anything else. When I was in school there were no atheists, and there were no mass shootings, so I rest my case."

I'm not an atheist, and your claimed association of changing times is no proof of atheism as a cause of shootings. I could say the same claiming the entry into the "2000's" is the cause of school shootings. When our year began with the digit "1" this just didn't happen so I rest my case.

Now you are really getting ridiculous. I can back up my "claimed association" as you call it with actual numbers and the cold hard facts, and nothing but the actual facts, unlike your wild and easily disproven nonsensical statements.

"The increase in school shootings is directly proportional to the increase in atheism and the fact that now-days our schools are no longer allowed to even mention God. How can you deny such obvious facts?"

Quite easily.

Really? If its that easy, then why dont you try to do it? I'm talking about with actual facts, not made-up stuff. Truth is, you cant.

"Anyhow, my book proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Bible agrees with all the scientific and historical facts And even Darwin's observations. And it should be taught in all public schools and then the mass shootings will stop."

This is what gets me about modern Christianity, as promoted by just about all evangelists. It's far more focused on academics than soul. But head knowledge is not what drives people to do evil things. It's instead a twisted heart.

Really? As far as I know, all a heart does is pump blood. Now if you want to use the word "soul" instead, then you are at least starting to make sense. BTW, the Greek word that is usually translated as "heart" in English actually means "kidney" in Greek. That's where the ancient Greeks thought the soul was, not the heart. Irregardless of all that, it all starts with knowledge or "academics" as you call it. If you know that there is a God (which I can prove), you are much more likely to accept God into your life (or soul). If you dont believe in God, its not likely to happen. In fact its pretty much impossible.

BTW, I dont have "faith" that there is a God, I know there is a God. Telling people they gotta have faith doesn't work anymore. The world wants facts now- days.

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-20   16:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: interpreter (#19)

Really? If its that easy, then why dont you try to do it? I'm talking about with actual facts, not made-up stuff. Truth is, you cant.

There's no way you would be compelled to change your mind based on anything I would tell you, so I won't bother trying. It would be futile and a waste of precious time.

And truly, you are extremely unlikely to say anything that would compel me to change my mind.

BTW, I dont have "faith" that there is a God, I know there is a God. Telling people they gotta have faith doesn't work anymore. The world wants facts now- days.

One man's facts is another man's nonsense. Being totally convinced of what you believe hardly grants you any bragging rights. If there's one fact we might be able to agree on, is that everyone of us is totally convinced of at least a few things that are not true. A look at the several different major religions followed by vast segments of earth's population, all pretty much incompatible with each other should make that an obvious trait of human nature. Our capacity to believe something, even untrue, is enormous. Even to the point of death.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-20   21:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#20)

One man's facts is another man's nonsense. Being totally convinced of what you believe hardly grants you any bragging rights. If there's one fact we might be able to agree on, is that everyone of us is totally convinced of at least a few things that are not true. A look at the several different major religions followed by vast segments of earth's population, all pretty much incompatible with each other should make that an obvious trait of human nature. Our capacity to believe something, even untrue, is enormous. Even to the point of death.

You are so ridiculous. You can change my mind, but only by stating FACTS. Obviously you dont even know the meaning of that word. A fact is anything that is very easily provable. And one man's fact is NOT another man's nonsense. A fact is a fact, that cant be argued with because it can easily be proven. If you think that anything I've said is not true , you need to ask me for my source and I will give it to you.

That's what virtually everyone on LF or any other discussion board does (except you).

Having said that, I do need to correct one thing I said about Santa Fe high school that I found out yesterday is not true. (And yes I am human and sometimes I do have to occasionally admit that I misspoke). Actually it is my source for everything I said in my original post who misspoke. That would be my son n law who is a teacher at the Junior High, and he just assumed the high school had metal detectors on the front doors. He now informs me that is not the case. That's why you should not "assume" anything because it makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me" (a classic play on words).

Anyhow, I said that in order to say this: My daughters (and my son n law) have now started a campaign to get metal detectors installed in all the local schools, both in Santa Fe and League City (an adjacent town where my other grandchild attends school). I think that's an excellent idea and I'm supporting them in their effort.

My question is, what do you guys think about it? Is that not a good solution or what?

the interpreter (and problem solver)

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-21   6:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: All (#21)

A look at the several different major religions followed by vast segments of earth's population, all pretty much incompatible with each other should make that an obvious trait of human nature.

That also is untrue, unless of course you're taking about Protestant Churches. I am a member of one of the 8 Churches founded by St. Peter (i.e, the Anglican branch of the Catholic Church), and 99% of what my Church or any of the 8 teach is identical to what the other 7 teach. It is only the Protestant Churches that differ with all other Churches because they have each made up a lot of stuff that was NOT taught by the original Church(es) founded by Jesus through Peter. (And the gates of hell can and probably will prevail against other Churches, and especially the non-denominational Churches who dont answer to anyone and therefore are free to makeup anything they want (they think) but they're in for a rude awakening when they have to appear before St. Peter.

But you are basically right about it being an "obvious trait of human nature" (and especially so when it comes to Protestant churches, but you cant say that about my Church).

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-21   7:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: interpreter (#22)

That also is untrue, unless of course you're taking about Protestant Churches.

I'm talking about Christianity, Islam, Buddism & Hinduism, mainly. There are about 1 billion Muslims and 1 billion Christians in the world, in spite of the 2 faiths having almost nothing in common, thus proving that humans believe primarily what they were taught as children and generally never deviate from that. It's certainly more virtuous to believe based on honest inquiries rather than simply accepting what we were taught as kids without ever questioning those doctrines. There are few people who do, obviously, otherwise we'd had a pretty even mix of faiths in every country.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-21   11:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: interpreter (#22)

But you are basically right about it being an "obvious trait of human nature" (and especially so when it comes to Protestant churches, but you cant say that about my Church).

Oh, but of course not, because you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Which is what everyone will say.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-21   11:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pinguinite (#23) (Edited)

I'm talking about Christianity, Islam, Buddism & Hinduism, mainly. There are about 1 billion Muslims and 1 billion Christians in the world, in spite of the 2 faiths having almost nothing in common, thus proving that humans believe primarily what they were taught as children and generally never deviate from that. It's certainly more virtuous to believe based on honest inquiries rather than simply accepting what we were taught as kids without ever questioning those doctrines. There are few people who do, obviously, otherwise we'd had a pretty even mix of faiths in every country.

Well I can understand where you are coming from. But of those four, it is only Islam that is completely incompatable with Chistianity. I once had to write a thesis about the similarities and differences between the teachings of Chiristianity and the teachings of Buddhism, and there are way more similarities than differences. I dont know enough about Hinduism to make any direct comparison with Christianity except to say that it is a peaceful religion much like Christianity, and I do know quite a bit about the Sikh religion which also originated in India, and it is compatible with Christianity in many ways, and it is also a peaceful religion.

My main point though is that it is Muslims and only Muslims who hate Christians to the point that they are trying to kill us, or at least many of them are. They also like to kill Sikhs and Hindus and Buddhists and everyone else who is not a Muslim. They do not have anything in common with anyone else on Earth. They are definitely not a religion of peace, despite what Hillary and her ilk like to falsely claim. They worship Satan, not God.

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-22   16:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Pinguinite (#24)

Oh, but of course not, because you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Which is what everyone will say.

Well, let me put this way. In one of your other posts you said most people just blindly accept the religion they were taught as a youth. But I am not most people. As a youth, I attended whatever Church my parents attended. But when I left home and started thinking for myself, I started investigating every Church there was (in my home town), and then I starting going into the big city (Houston) and investigating all the Christian denominations there (or most of them) that did not have a branch in my small town. After investigating over a hundred different Churches, and comparing what they teach to what the Bible says, and what the first-century Church taught, I decided to join the Episcopal Church because (at least at that time) they taught everything as it was taught in the first century and had not added any man-made doctrine. But that is no longer the case with every Episcopal Church, because some of them are performing same- sex marriages, so right now I am trying to get those churches excommunicated, and if that doesn't work, I am going to search for a new Church once again. I am not going to belong to any Church that does not preach the truth (and nothing but the truth).

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-22   17:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: interpreter (#26)

Still, in your searches, you assumed Christianity was generally the correct faith and that the Bible was the "Word of God".

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-23   0:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Pinguinite (#27) (Edited)

Still, in your searches, you assumed Christianity was generally the correct faith and that the Bible was the "Word of God".

That's correct for the most part, except I do realize the Bible was written by humans, plus it was also translated into English by mere mortals. Therefore, it does contain a few errors here and there, and I am not one those extremely gung- ho Christians who are adamant about it being 100 percent accurate (or "infallible"). I have compared everything to the scientific and historical facts, and I have concluded that the Bible (or at least the Received Text) is about 97 to 98 % accurate. But Bibles based on the "Alexandrian" text (that the NIV Bible is based on) is a heretical text written by heretics who changed any verse that did not agree with their very heretical beliefs. That is especially true with the Revelation which is almost 100 % BS (in the NIV version). Even the King James translators changed several verses in the Revelation to make it agree with their view of things. It has to be read in the original Greek (or a very literal translation of the Greek) to even begin to be understood. That's why I provide a literal translation of the Greek with my commentary on the Revelation. I also provide a literal translation of the original Hebrew with my commentary on Genesis (for the same reason).

And if the Bible (or anything) does not agree with the historical and scientific facts, it should be thrown into the trash.

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-23   9:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: interpreter (#15)

Quit trying to blame it on his parents, and blame yourself, how bout it.

How utterly stupid is that? Perhaps you need an interpreter.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-05-23   10:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: IbJensen (#29)

"Quit trying to blame it on his parents, and blame yourself, how bout it."

How utterly stupid is that? Perhaps you need an interpreter.

Well, if you are an atheist, you are to blame. For you to try to blame it on Christians is what is utterly stupid.

interpreter  posted on  2018-05-23   17:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: interpreter (#30)

Your handle may be interpreter, but your comments regarding Christianity are about as stupid as they could possibly be as I am a practicing Christian.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-05-27   9:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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