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Title: Ron Paul: Republicans, Democrats Teaming Up for Federal Gun Confiscation Bill
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/r ... federal-gun-confiscation-bill/
Published: May 23, 2018
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2018-05-24 10:09:08 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 343
Comments: 27

In an email Tuesday night, former Congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul released an ominous statement claiming that a source they have in the Senate revealed Democrats are teaming up with Republicans to push through a massive gun control bill.

According to their source, as Paul explained, “Senators Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) are teaming up with Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) to ram through one of the worst nationwide gun confiscation schemes ever devised.”

The gun confiscation bill, according to Paul, is designed to disarm Americans without any due process. The senators are using the recent tragic shooting in Texas as the impetus behind the law—in spite of the fact that this law would not have prevented the shooting at all.

As the Free Thought Project has previously reported, some states have already begun implementing laws like this one. Using mass shootings as a their ammunition, states have enacted “Red Flag” or “Risk Protection” laws which allow police to confiscate a person’s weapon before they are ever given a chance to defend themselves.

In both of the gun confiscation cases reported by TFTP, neither of the two men were suspected of committing a crime, nor had they committed a crime.

Under the fifth and fourteenth amendments, due process clauses are in place to act as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law. What’s more, neither of the men were granted their sixth amendment rights to be confronted with the witnesses against them. In both cases, simple orders—under new laws—were issued, arguably arbitrarily, which stripped these two men of their property.

In spite of what officials and the media claim, when a person is stripped of their constitutional rights, albeit temporarily, without being given the chance to make their own case based on what can be entirely arbitrary accusations, this is the removal of due process.

As Ron Paul explains, this removal of due process could soon be a federal law.

Under so-called “Red Flag” or “Risk Protection” Orders, anti-gun family members, neighbors, or associates could have your guns taken away based on mere accusations without any real due process or trial.

In secret court proceedings, where only your accuser is present, judges could determine that you pose a “significant danger” to someone, including yourself.

Imagine your surprise when a heavily armed SWAT Team arrives to seize your lawfully owned firearms.

It would then cost you tens of thousands of dollars in court costs and weeks or even months to try and convince the court they made a mistake.

To be clear, no one here is advocating for people determined to be mentally unfit to be able to possess firearms. However, they need to be determined to be mentally unfit before they lose their rights.

To those who may be in favor of such laws, consider the following: There is no way to stop an estranged spouse from calling police repeatedly and telling them their ex is threatening to cause harm to others. While the man in Florida had his guns taken for being psychologically unfit, the man in Seattle simply open-carried a pistol and looked out of windows and his guns were taken because his neighbors thought it was strange.

Anyone, any time, now has the ability to claim someone else is a threat and have police take their guns. One does not need to delve into the multiple ‘what if’ scenarios to see what sort of ominous implications arise from such a practice. What’s more, police in some states now have the power to deem you a threat at any time and legally disarm you—due process be damned.

This is the exact scenario that Donald Trump advocated for in February.

The words of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution are so easy to grasp:

“. . . the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

There were no asterisks and no footnotes. There are no sentences that follow which start with the words “unless” or “however.” The right to defend your life and property shall not be infringed by the government.

Period.

Paul’s Campaign for Liberty has set up the Defend the Second Amendment Directive where citizens can sign a petition to demand their Senator not pass this blow to freedom and self-defense. You can sign it here.

Please share this article to let your friends and family that saying, “they are coming for our guns,” is not a conspiracy theory.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Dementia? Poor old guy. Rand needs to put him in a nursing home.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-05-24   10:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1) (Edited)

Crawl back in your hole clown.

Your man-crush Lady Lindsey is pushing this.

According to their source, as Paul explained, “Senators Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) are teaming up with Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) to ram through one of the worst nationwide gun confiscation schemes ever devised.”

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-05-24   10:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#2)

You must be suffering dementia too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-05-24   10:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#1)

Dementia? Poor old guy. Rand needs to put him in a nursing home.

I would prefer that he finally retire and let Rand do the family politics. This is a distraction.

I always say that these pols need to finally go away when they retire. Bushes, Xlintons, 0bamas, Carter (who's now saying that Trump may deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, lol), the whole lot need to go away and just shut the hell up. I don't make any exception for Ron Paul.

According to their source, as Paul explained, “Senators Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) are teaming up with Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) to ram through one of the worst nationwide gun confiscation schemes ever devised.”

You simply cannot rule it out. It seems a little unlikely overall to me though because the time for Rubio to cave in and start plotting -- like the GangOf8 backstabber that he is -- would have been at the height of the Parkland hysteria. There's been relatively little coverage of the Texas shooting so why would Rubio cave now, especially when Florida is still gun country? Graham has a few times threatened to make common cause with the Dems against the GOP but he hasn't really carried through. He's kind of a weenie, especially now that he no longer has McStain and Lieberman pulling his strings and propping him up. So I don't know that Graham would be too eager to sign on to gungrabbing. It would not be popular in South Carolina and his participation would not be forgotten.

I'm not sure how much of this I believe. Maybe Rubio and Graham are talking with Feinstein but I'd like to see some evidence of a bill they are actually writing.

There is no chance that the House would pass such a bill so this seems an exercise in futility. It would be suicide in an election year for the GOP.

And McConnell is the one who has to agree to bring a bill to the floor. And he will not agree to that due to the midterms. Which means that Rubio and Graham would only be hurting the Senate GOP candidates up for re-election and the prospects of taking the seats of the Red state Dem senators. And Rubio/Graham would be excoriated for it. And the Right would never forget it either.

I don't think you'll ever see a gungrab bill pass Congress and get signed by any prez in an election year. I always think that the time of year the 2nd Amendment is most in danger is from February through April after a congressional election. If some massacre happens in those months with a new congress in ofice, the pols might think that many voters would forget about the gungrab after a year and half when the next election will happen. Any later and the pols get too nervous to try a gungrab, no matter what the polls say.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-24   10:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#0)

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Jameson  posted on  2018-05-24   11:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#4)

There is no chance that the House would pass such a bill

Right - because Trump (take the guns first, due process second) is the POTUS.

How's the kool-aid?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-05-24   11:11:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#6)

If you don't see how suicidal this really is for the GOP House, you don't understand gun politics at all.

Ryan at present is busy keeping amnesty/DACA-friendly GOP House members from teaming up with Dems to try to pass some kind of amnesty/DACA bill. I think he'll squash it. And McConnell will probably not allow a vote on such a bill and Trump has already vowed to veto it if it doesn't have a yuge classy border wall thrown in.

That's kind of the state of the Beltway as far as backstabbing Republicans is concerned. At present, I don't see any GangOf8 or GangOf14 action in the Senate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-24   11:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, Deckard (#4)

This is why I do not trust Rubio.

I remember everyone claiming how great he would be but he seem to me to wet his finger and stick in the sky to see which way he needs to go. That is a career politician to me. That's why I like Cruz and Trump.

Justified  posted on  2018-05-24   11:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Justified (#8)

I remember everyone claiming how great he would be but he seem to me to wet his finger and stick in the sky to see which way he needs to go. That is a career politician to me. That's why I like Cruz and Trump.

Oh, I agree. But why would Rubio do this now, after the Parkland hurricane where he was getting flayed alive as a tool of the NRA by that punk Camera Hogg and Bald Chicana? It makes no sense, no payoff. And Rubio goes for something that he thinks is a payoff for him. Add to this that the FL legislature (of which Rubio is the former Speaker) then completely rejected Camera Hogg and the gungrabbers' demand to restrict gun rights in FL.

I don't find it hard to believe Rubio would stab us in the back, given his record. I just don't think he'll do it if there is no benefit for him and his ambitions. And there is no visible payoff that I can see. None. Putting his name (or Lady Lindsey's) on such a bill with Feinstein is pure political poison. Drinking the Brady Bunch hemlock.

I think I don't believe RP's little email based on an anonymous source until we see something more substantive than a few lines in an email.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-24   11:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#4)

There is no chance that the House would pass such a bill so this seems an exercise in futility.

Well, there are 192 Democrats, 100% who will vote as they're told. 218 is a majority, so they only need 26 Republicans. Of course there's a chance.

But I see no gun bill on the horizon. Just Chicken Little talk.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-24   12:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#0)

" Republicans, Democrats Teaming Up for Federal Gun Confiscation Bill "

Not going to happen !! Especially with midterms coming up !!

However, if these mental giant gun grabbers were to ever get their wet dream implemented, they will open Pandora's box and they will soon regret it, in spades !! They are too stupid to contemplate " Unintended Consequences " !! By the time they realize they have shit in their Cheerios, it will be too late !

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.

Stoner  posted on  2018-05-24   12:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#0)

Republicans, Democrats Teaming Up for Federal Gun Confiscation Bill

This ain't news to anyone who has even been partially paying any attention.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-24   13:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#9)

I don't find it hard to believe Rubio would stab us in the back, given his record. I just don't think he'll do it if there is no benefit for him and his ambitions. And there is no visible payoff that I can see. None.

Maybe he is being offered a large "think tank" salary and no-show position,in addition to a big bag of cash right now if he gets voted out for backing this?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-24   13:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Stoner (#11)

They are too stupid to contemplate " Unintended Consequences "

Not really. The Big Money Globalists that push this will all just leave the country on their private yachts or private planes,and sit it out at some luxury resort in comfort while waiting for the dust to settle.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-24   13:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#13)

Maybe he is being offered a large "think tank" salary and no-show position,in addition to a big bag of cash right now if he gets voted out for backing this?

4.5 years until he faces the voters again, I think.

When Rubio gets up in the morning, he walks to the mirror and says, "Good morning, President Rubio."

Everything Rubio does is driven by his obsessive need to be America's first Latino prez. Everything.

Rubio is young enough that he will believe that America will have a Latino prez in his lifetime, probably true. And so Rubio thinks, "Why not me?"

That's Rubio, in spades.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-24   14:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete, Y'ALL, stoner (#14)

Stoner (#11) ---- They are too stupid to contemplate " Unintended Consequences "

Not really. The Big Money Globalists that push this will all just leave the country on their private yachts or private planes,and sit it out at some luxury resort in comfort while waiting for the dust to settle. ---- sneakypete

No, really, Pete.. --- If the consequences of gun confiscation ever started, this country would fall apart, and the dust wouldn't settle for generations, if at all.

And I'd bet that the whole world would find that an American economic collapse would have disastrous (unintended) consequences, even for the fat cats..

tpaine  posted on  2018-05-24   14:27:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#15)

4.5 years until he faces the voters again, I think.

When Rubio gets up in the morning, he walks to the mirror and says, "Good morning, President Rubio."

Everything Rubio does is driven by his obsessive need to be America's first Latino prez. Everything.

Rubio is young enough that he will believe that America will have a Latino prez in his lifetime, probably true. And so Rubio thinks, "Why not me?"

That's Rubio, in spades.

I have no doubt you are right about his character,but who is to say he won't just take his VERY generous Senate retirement in 4.5 years,and step into an international leadership position with "World Wide Government,Inc" as a board member and regional Czar? Being the first US brown (Not a single damn one of them is Latin,and only the priests and a few professors even speak Latin) President pales in comparison (no pun intended) with being the first Czar of North American Inc,a subsidiary of World Wide Government,Inc. Just think of how the adoring crowds will kiss his ass as he tours continents south of us.

IMHO,if you were to say the word "grandiose" to Rubio,he would say "Huh?",just like it had no meaning.

Not that he is the only one in politics afflicted with that personality disorder. Pretty much every one of them above the local level has it.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-24   14:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tpaine (#16) (Edited)

No, really, Pete.. --- If the consequences of gun confiscation ever started, this country would fall apart, and the dust wouldn't settle for generations, if at all.

Yeah,I'm sure that citizens armed with the typical weapons they have,the majority of whom have never had a day of infantry training or never been shot at,would scare the hell out of World Wide Army,Inc,most of whom would be recruited from third world countries and promised loot.

When the left votes to dissolve the US Government and Join WWG,Inc,the Bill of Rights will cease to exist,just like America.

And I'd bet that the whole world would find that an American economic collapse would have disastrous (unintended) consequences, even for the fat cats.

So what? Remember the parable about the man with one eye being a king in the country of the blind?

The globalist bankers behind this will TOTALLY control the money flow,as well as establish prices and wages. Wages to be the amount paid after deducting the cost of living in government owned housing,riding to work on government owned buses,and purchases in government owned stores,of course.

Suddenly a million bucks will be a LOT of money again,and they will be the only ones that has it because they will literally own the entire world,including the national budget of every former nation on Earth.

Let's just say that bookkeeping will be GREATLY simplified.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-24   14:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited)

--- If the consequences of gun confiscation ever started, this country would fall apart, and the dust wouldn't settle for generations, if at all. - tpaine

Pete --- Yeah,I'm sure that citizens armed with the typical weapons they have,the majority of whom have never had a day of infantry training or never been shot at,would scare the hell out of World Wide Army,Inc,

There are at least 20 million gun nut hunters in the USA. --- If 90% of them were killed off in the first battles of a guerilla war against the WWA Inc, we'd still have a 2 million man army of combat vets remaining... Highly motivated vets who would be motivated to kick ass of any mercenary forces recruited by the fat cats..

But in any case, it would be the end of our Republic, as you say...

tpaine  posted on  2018-05-24   16:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: tpaine (#19)

There are at least 20 million gun nut hunters in the USA. --- If 90% of them were killed off in the first battles of a guerilla war against the WWA Inc, we'd still have a 2 million man army of combat vets remaining... Highly motivated vets who would be motivated to kick ass of any mercenary forces recruited by the fat cats..

I have heard this all my life,but as a former professional soldier with infantry training and experience,I can tell you it just ain't true. Almost none of them have any combat or tactical experience,half will start screaming "You are NOT the boss of ME!" if you try to give them orders,and while most today will have a .223 rifle so they can share ammunition,generally ain't the type who are willing to share their ammunition.

And they will be facing a professional army led by Generals,have the most modern arms,ammunition,and equipment,and will also have crew-served weapons and armor.

Not to mention fighter-bombers,C-130 gunships that can see in the dark,and helicopter gun ships. Most will dump a load in their pants the first time they hear a minigun start playing it's tune,and nobody can blame them because that is an excellent time to start doing that if you have never done it before.

Even if you have the best training in the world and are thrilled to be in the infantry,the first time you get into a firefight is a real eye-opener that can make you question your judgement.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-24   18:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#10)

But I see no gun bill on the horizon.

I wouldn’t bet all your money on that. Every time some little twisted mental asshole shoots up another school, the more chances that the many RINO asshole politicians will cave in to some kind of gun legislation. I don’t see that legislation ever keeping you from arming yourself in general, but it might keep you from legally arming yourself with an AR15, depending on what shithole blue state you WILLINGLY live in and fund via taxes.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-05-24   21:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland (#21)

Every time some little twisted mental asshole shoots up another school, the more chances that the many RINO asshole politicians will cave in to some kind of gun legislation.

The latest school shooting involved a shotgun and a revolver. Solution? Ban AR-15's.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-25   9:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#22) (Edited)

Solution?

My solution is simple. Two fold.

One entrance only to all schools. Magnetometer at that entrance, heavily fortified DOUBLE doors... with a heavily armed and trained officer that never leaves that door (unless to engage an active shooter). Nobody enters the school at any time or date, without an officer at that door. Nobody enters the school without going through those doors. Adult school employees should be allowed to carry if they follow their states laws. All classroom doors need to be fortified against forced entry and gunfire... all doors stay closed and locked during class.

Second phase... if and when school kids should be shot and killed, everyone needs to STFU. People die in life. Shit happens. Once it’s noticed that people don’t shit themselves in WEAKNESS (like Dicktard does) over some dead kids, nuns and puppies... and there is no fame, the assholes will stop shooting up schools.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-05-25   18:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GrandIsland (#23)

Adult school employees should be allowed to carry if they follow their states laws.

I'm surprised to find we agree on school solutions..

What do you think about a national right to carry law?

tpaine  posted on  2018-05-25   20:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: tpaine (#24)

What do you think about a national right to carry law?

I think our constitution should be all we need... and I fear federal regulation maybe offered so gov can get the armed populace to register serial numbers like Nazi NY does.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-05-25   22:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#25)

I think our constitution should be all we need... and I fear federal regulation maybe offered so gov can get the armed populace to register serial numbers like Nazi NY does.

What about the states? Are you saying that the states can usurp US Constitution? Why I ask is because the states do it all the time.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-05-25   22:53:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#26)

Are you saying that the states can usurp US Constitution?

Hah! You're funny.

The states have ALL the power, minus the limited power they gave to the federal government detailed in Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

Starting around the mid-20th century, the federal govenment began seizing more and more power for themselves via the Commerce Clause, the 14th amendment, and liberal Supreme Court rulings.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-26   9:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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