[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

If Even One of the 7000 Cross Our Border – Trump Must be Removed from Office – Enough!

Question: Wherein "libertarianism" is there any reference to "irresponsibility?"

This chart shows how everything has changed since Trump became president

City official charged with murder after state rejects 'stand your ground' shooting of alleged shoplifter

Please Remember Not to Vote!

Evil Mutant Death Walrus

White House chopper mechanic busted with crystal meth after calling the cops on himself

FBI Admits It Used Multiple Spies To Infiltrate Trump Campaign

Judge Orders Mueller To Prove Russian Company Meddled In Election

"The Factory of the World"

Trump Announces He’s a Few Weeks From Banning Bump Stocks

Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Why Civility Can't Return To Politics

Self-Censorship: Where The Real Damage Is Being Done

Decorated Silver Star Veteran, POW Sentenced to 7 Years for a Gun He Bought 40 Years Ago

Facebook Deletes Disabled Vet’s Pages — After Taking $300,000 in Advertising

Rockin’ the Right

State Department provided ‘clearly false’ statements to derail requests for Clinton docs, ‘shocked’ federal judge says

Police Charge a 12-Year-Old Rapper With Felony After Mall Confrontation Over Selling His Own CDs

Stossel: Libertarian Larry Sharpe Brings New Ideas to New York

9/11 was a bank heist

Dear God, Hillary Clinton. Please, Just Go.

Mexico dispatches two Boeing 727s full of federal police officers to intercept migrant caravan from Honduras heading to the US....

stop this onslaught - and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!

High School Girls Admitted to Making False Sexual Assault Accusations Against a Male Student Because They ‘Just Don’t Like Him’

Newly Released Video Challenges Cop's Story in Shooting of Autistic Teen

‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ performance canceled again at Shorewood HS; boy in custody

‘Golfcart Gail’ calls cops on black dad at his kid’s soccer game

You Want to Make America Great Again? Start by Making America Free Again

YouTube users question sanity, reality as service goes dark worldwide (YouTube DOWN, gone)

Trump voter begs for forgiveness: 'Sorry I voted for him -- I've enabled this monster'

Ben Shapiro Explains Socialism in 2 Minutes

Creepy Porn Lawyer slam dunked by Trump in Federal court

Feds raise rate 6 times under Trump but once/twice under Obama

‘I Stand for the Flag, I Kneel at the Cross’: PA Dem Forced to Resign After Facebook Posts Deemed Offensive

Warren’s DNA test mocked, as GOP cites study showing average Native-American link could be stronger

Warren Releases DNA Results, Challenges Trump Over Native American Ancestry

Did Saudis, CIA Fear Khashoggi 9/11 Bombshell?

Portland citizens jeer cowardly anarchists, cheer police! (short version)

With the Saudis, Trump Shows Timidity

Four Democrats Caught in Voter Fraud Ring Targeting Seniors in Fort Worth

'YOU'RE FREE, MAN!' Somalian whose deportation from UK was stopped by outraged Heathrow passengers revealed as gang-rapist who attacked teen girl

Police seeking person who put googly eyes on historic Georgia statue

Antifa mob that should be shot and killed on site

Ford Just Came To Trump' Defense & Destroyed Fake News Media & Their Lies: Tariffs & Their Layoffs

Trident Juncture 2018 Is About to Kick Off: NATO’s Big War Games Near Russia’s Borders Never End

Who Runs Bartertown? (Perpetual Taxes on Property)

'The president of a country should not publicly ridicule a woman who courageously comes forward': Anal Clooney skips royal wedding to take a hit at Trump at Pennsylvania women's conference

Christine Blasey Ford's bogus 'bravery' award nomination

War on Choice: UK Government Sets ‘Calorie Cap’ for Pizzas, Burgers… Even Soup

Good bye ... NFL --- been good knowing you.


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

politics and politicians
See other politics and politicians Articles

Title: Why Internet Libertarians are becoming Fascists
Source: Reddit
URL Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapH ... tarians_are_becoming_fascists/
Published: Sep 1, 2017
Author: Posted byu/ad-absurdum 1
Post Date: 2018-07-15 04:32:29 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 61
Comments: 6

If you grew up in middle-class white America in the 21st century, chances are you know some “Internet Libertarians”. The type, usually a somewhat socially maladjusted young man, who spends a lot of time playing video games and on youtube. For most of their life they’re apolitical, or maybe have a vague sympathy for Ron Paul. Or maybe they have a cynical view of politics from watching South Park. One day they stumble onto a Sargon of Assad or Stephen Molyneux video, and it speaks to them. Hell, maybe you are one, or were one. But over the past few years, you’ve probably noticed that these people drifted in another direction, away from atheism and libertarianism and towards open fascism.

At first, this seems completely improbable. If you take them at their word, these people stand for individual liberty, and freedom above all else. Wouldn’t fascism be the polar opposite of that belief? How does a “classic liberal” end up defending Nazis? How does a self-proclaimed rational skeptic end up promoting disproven racist eugenics?

There are deeper connections and affinities between online libertarianism and fascism that makes such a drift less improbable, and maybe even inevitable.

Part 1 – Private Power

The proliferation of the “political compass” also has something to do with this line of thought. It obscures the potential difficulties of political choices, and makes it seem like one axis – the authority vs. anarchy one – is the be all end all of political ideas of freedom. The very words “free market”, combined with the allure of the political compass, draws people towards that bottom right square. Who wouldn’t want to be pro-freedom? It’s got sex appeal.

That authority-anarchy axis makes it seem like anywhere at the bottom takes a strong stance on individual rights, but the left-right axis changes what those rights mean. In a society where individuals are allowed to accumulate wealth and, unconstrained by regulations, are free to influence the direction of society, that means that the political power of an individual is diminished, dwarfed by the power of the rich. The freedom promised by the classic liberals came during a time when the power of the aristocracy was waning – now, some individuals have so much wealth that “classic liberals” are arguing for something more akin to Nietzche’s defense of the rights of the aristocracy. Check out Corey Robin’s piece on Hayek and Nietzche for further examination of this point – the idea that the rich deserve to steer the direction of culture and society is deeply engrained in free market evangelism. And in a world where so much is privatized, and so much power is surrendered to the free market, this amounts to private control over just about everything.

The libertarian worldview then, is one where individual rights exist only in a technical sense. The actual ability that person has to exercise their rights depends entirely on their economic standing. The libertarian world is one of hierarchy – of righteous hierarchy. These people are not classic liberals but corporate nietzcheans.

Part 2 – When The Market Fails

But what happens when the promises of the market fail? What happens when certain minority groups are still way behind? What happens when the wage gap lingers even as decades pass? What happens when an entire generation of their peers loses faith in the free market?

Instead of losing faith in the market, the internet libertarians lose faith in their peers. And women. And minorities.

Look at the latest controversy – if you actually read that google employees memo, he basically claims that the lack of women in tech is due to essentialist differences in biology between the sexes. The market could not possibly have failed – the market is pure, it does not see race or gender. Ideas of oppression, which might suggest fixes that go against the libertarian ethos of nonintervention in the market, must be wrong. He lays this out almost word for word:

The lack of discussion fosters the most extreme and authoritarian elements of this ideology.

Extreme: all disparities in representation are due to oppression

Authoritarian: we should discriminate to correct for this oppression

Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.

And where was his first stop after being fired? Stephen Molyneux’s youtube channel.

But what about everything else that goes on in the world? How do you explain those things that the left points to, the endless stream of current events that seem to portray a world where market forces have only brought instability and absurdity?

This is when the rational™ mind goes fully irrational. They turn to conspiracies, or flirt with them, to explain the way the world is. Remember, it can’t be the market. So all those bad things that happen, they can’t possibly be symptoms of capitalism, they must be caused by sinister forces behind the scenes. Drawing direct cause and effect relationships between current events and capitalism can't be allowed, so instead they depart on conspiratorial "flight of ideas", as Adorno describes:

It does not employ discursive logic but is rather, particularly in oratorical exhibitions, what might be called an organized flight of ideas. The relation between premises and inferences is replaced by a linking-up of ideas resting on mere similarity, often through association by employing the same characteristic word in two propositions which are logically quite unrelated. This method not only evades the control mechanisms of rational examination, but also makes it psychologically easier for the listener to follow’. He has no exacting thinking to do, but can give himself up passively to a stream of words in which he swims.
This perfectly encapsulates the conspiratorial thinking of places like /pol/ and The_Donald, the kind of thinking that draws connections between things and can satisfy and trick those who dress their ideology with the window dressing of rationality and logic. It also explains, to some degree, why the pedants on youtube create streams and videos that ramble on for hours and hours, wearing down the users ability to discern where arguments clearly begin and end, sweeping them along into "a stream of words in which he swims".

Part 3 – Reaction

But to really push them over the edge, to the violent embrace of the far right, it takes a little bit more.

The current pushing them down the lazy river of hate is reaction. Literal reaction. Reactions to videos of “SJWs”. Reaction to the growing left. Reaction to day after day of this being blasted into their brain for hours and hours by social media and youtube personalities that cater to their young male anger. This is what primes them to accept the arguments about degeneracy, and eventually accept the notion that certain groups must be removed from society. It starts as a joke, as a video they watch for a laugh. Maybe they enjoy “punching down”, maybe it feels transgressive, maybe they like the memes. Day after day they watch these videos, videos specifically cherrypicked and curated to make them feel the most disgusted and insulted and outraged.

And slowly but surely, the hate grows, like a tumor. Whatever happens in their life, whatever personal anxieties and pent-up frustrations they have, whatever feelings of alienation, it only fuels the process. Stuck in a filter bubble of youtube and social media suggestions, they’re carried further and further down into the online underworld of far-right extremism.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

by Tater Trotsky

hondo68  posted on  2018-07-15   5:27:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#1)

The Emotional Child’s Guide to Political Discussion.
Gatlin’s Guide to Political Discussion is found here and it definitely is not childlike.

You probably will not understand it since it contains high quality phrases and a “mature discussion” in context for reliable objective consideration.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-15   7:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#1)

that means that the political power of an individual is diminished, dwarfed by the power of the rich.

Yes and no. There are many more not-rich than there are rich. The not-rich have the power of their combined voices. The rich talk with their money.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-15   8:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#0)

he basically claims that the lack of women in tech is due to essentialist differences in biology between the sexes.

If true, then women should pursue another career. Forcing employers to hire women into tech jobs is a lose-lose proposition.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-15   8:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: hondo68 (#1)

"Everyone I Don't Like Is Hitler"

That certainly seems to be the mindset of Parsons - he's been posting self-penned articles whining about posters who he claims are suppressing his free speech by ignoring him.

Apparently by not responding to his whining pleas for attention, we are "tyrannical".

"The Emotional Child's Guide To Political Discussion"

Yeah, that pretty much sums up his modus operandi.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-15   11:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard, hondo68 (#5)

... whining about posters who he claims are suppressing his free speech by ignoring him.
Never whining. Merely calling attention to the boycott TC organized. I see it worked for less than a day. So typical of you lame libertarians, no plans ever work or prjects ever prove fruitful. Everything is just empty phrases with you nincompoops .

I knew that you all couldn’t stay away. The article really did draw you all back in force. That was of course the intent and it served its purpose.

Stay tuned. I will be around all day with more articles exposing the faults of libertarianism, I promise.

Gotta for for now to look for the next anti-libertarian article. I do so knowing another one will be easy to find.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-15   11:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com