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Title: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
Source: PJ Media
URL Source: https://pjmedia.com/spengler/once-a ... -right-this-time-about-russia/
Published: Jul 16, 2018
Author: David P. Goldman
Post Date: 2018-07-16 19:51:31 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 442
Comments: 69

Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia

By David P. Goldman
PJ Media
July 16, 2018

President Trump offended the entire political spectrum with a tweet this morning blaming the U.S. for poor relations with Russia. “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity,” the president said, and he is entirely correct. By this I do not mean to say that Russia is a beneficent actor in world affairs or that President Putin is an admirable world leader. Nonetheless, the president displayed both perspicacity and political courage when he pointed the finger at the United States for mismanaging the relationship with Russia.

Full disclosure: I was a card-carrying member of the neoconservative cabal that planned to bring Western-style democracy and free markets to Russia after the fall of Communism. As chief economist for the supply-side consulting firm Polyconomics, I got an appointment as an adviser to Boris Yeltsin’s finance ministry and made several trips to Moscow. Of course, the finance ministry really was a family office for Yeltsin’s oligarch friends, who were too busy stealing Russia’s economy to listen to advice. The experience cured me of the neoconservative delusion that democracy and free markets are the natural order of things.

Unfortunately, the delusion that the United States would remake Russia in its own image persisted through the Bush and Obama administrations. I have no reason to doubt the allegations that a dozen Russian intelligence officers meddled in the U.S. elections of 2016, but this was equivalent of a fraternity prank compared to America’s longstanding efforts to intervene in Russian politics.

The United States supported the 2014 Maidan uprising in Ukraine and the overthrow of the Yanukovych government in the hope of repeating the exercise in Moscow sometime later. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland pulled whatever strings America had to replace the feckless and corrupt Victor Yanukovych with a government hostile to the Kremlin. She didn’t say it in so many words, but she hoped the Ukraine coup would lead to the overthrow of Vladimir Putin. Evidently Nuland and her boss, Hillary Clinton, thought that the Ukraine coup would deprive Russia of its Black Sea naval base in Crimea, and did not anticipate that Russia simply would annex an old Russian province that belonged to Ukraine by historical accident.

[...]

The Maidan coup was the second American attempt to install a Ukrainian government hostile to Moscow; the first occurred in 2004, when Condoleezza Rice was secretary of State rather than Hillary Clinton. As I wrote in Asia Times a decade ago, “On the night of November 22, 2004, then-Russian president - now premier - Vladimir Putin watched the television news in his dacha near Moscow. People who were with Putin that night report his anger and disbelief at the unfolding 'Orange' revolution in Ukraine. ‘They lied to me,’ Putin said bitterly of the United States. ‘I'll never trust them again.’ The Russians still can't fathom why the West threw over a potential strategic alliance for Ukraine. They underestimate the stupidity of the West."

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#1. To: nolu chan (#0) (Edited)

President Trump offended the entire political spectrum with a tweet this morning blaming the U.S. for poor relations with Russia. “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity,”

And he didn't even have to mention the names Clinton and Gore. Everybody with a double-digit IQ that has paid any attention at all to the Clinton presidency knows exactly who he was talking about.

We had an honest-to-Gawd GENUINE opportunity to become allies with Russia on the level we are with England,but those two and the DNC backers were more interested in stealing all the wealth in Russia for their personal bank accounts than they were world peace.

It ain't like anybody thought the Russians weren't paranoid to start with,and with VERY good historical reasons,and what we SHOULD have done was dealt with them in an honest way and earned their trust. Instead we robbed them blind.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-16   20:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nolu chan (#0)

The military-industrial complex may want to put an end to the POTUS tweets.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-07-16   20:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo (#2)

The military-industrial complex may want to put an end to the POTUS tweets.

All you triggered shitbags can STFU about Trumps trweets. Don’t like um? TFB, don’t read them outside of your safe space.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-16   21:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GrandIsland (#3)

I want you know, that in no unsympathetic reply, "that you just don't get it." The US Constitution was written based upon, "no foreign intrusion or interference." The idea was to limit collusion with foreign governments.

Using Ike's suggestion as a historical backdrop:

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

What Trump has performed is AWESOME. He cut through the military-industrial complex of the USA.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-07-16   21:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GrandIsland (#3) (Edited)

On second thought, the previous link that I posted is not worthy of your attention.

FU

buckeroo  posted on  2018-07-16   22:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#0) (Edited)

It's all great... unless Anatoliy Golitsyn was right.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-16   22:03:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: VxH (#6)

It's all great... unless Anatoliy Golitsyn was right.

Golitsyn's decades old conspiracy theories were debunked by Ivan Petrovich Sidorov.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-16   23:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#7)

Survey Says, meet the New Nolu Bullshyte...

 


Same as the Old Nolu Bullshyte.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   0:19:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: VxH (#8)

Same as the Old Nolu Bullshyte.

Old? Golitsyn's book is 34 years old and Golitsyn is dead. Ivan Petrovich Sidorov remains current.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   0:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#9) (Edited)

Show us the URL to his "current" debunking or STFU.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   0:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: VxH (#10)

Show us the URL to his "current" debunking or STFU.

Show me the URL to Golitsyn's "current" debunking of Trump or STFU.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   1:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#5)

The US Constitution was written based upon...

Based upon the presidents right (1st amendment) to piss you off with his tweets. Stfu

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-17   8:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#1)

We had an honest-to-Gawd GENUINE opportunity to become allies with Russia on the level we are with England, but those two and the DNC backers were more interested in stealing all the wealth in Russia for their personal bank accounts than they were world peace.

It ain't like anybody thought the Russians weren't paranoid to start with,and with VERY good historical reasons,and what we SHOULD have done was dealt with them in an honest way and earned their trust. Instead we robbed them blind.

I agree. Except that it was not just Clinton and Gore. It was also the Right.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-07-17   8:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

I agree. Except that it was not just Clinton and Gore. It was also the Right.

I disagree. The Clinton Machine held the keys to that vault,and they weren't sharing with anyone not in their gang.

Then again,you may consider a LOT of the fascist left to be from the "right" because our news outlets and the Dim Party has convinced everyone that right-wingers are fascists,and that the left hates wealth.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-17   8:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: nolu chan (#11)

LOL.  How many results, Nolu Chow?

 

  Maybe if you Google it with your trusty TI calculator you can pull some "facts" out of your arse?

Or NOT... as usual.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   9:13:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#14) (Edited)

The Clinton Machine held the keys to that vault,and they weren't sharing with anyone not in their gang.

Plastics. That's the future.



VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   9:33:27 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: VxH (#15)

Maybe if you Google it with your trusty TI calculator you can pull some "facts" out of your arse?

Maybe if you use your trusty Google Draw, you can present another triangle with a side longer than the hypotenuse as a display of your inner genius.

1 result. I am not responsible for your inability to use the Google better than you do. The Russian Ivan Petrovich Sidorov is much better known than Anatoly Golitsyn. Virtually all of Russia knows Sidorov.

As for your crap the unreliable conspiracy theorist Golitsyn spewed, the guy has been dead for 10 years, and he has not said anything in the last ten years, and can reliably be expected to not say anything about the the Trump presidency and Making America Great Again.

Spymaster: The Life of Britain's Most Decorated Cold War Spy and Head of MI6, Sir Maurice Oldfield, Transworld Publishers (May 1, 2018)

By Martin Pearce

[Excerpt]

It's easy to see why Angleton became intoxicated with Golitsyn and his theories, and equally easy to see why the official historian of MI5, Professor Christopher Andrew, was to describe him as 'an unreliable conspiracy theorist'. Golitsyn began by confirming the identities of two Soviet spies the CIA and M16 had known of but whose activities they had never been able to prove legally, and who were already safely in Russia: Guy Burgess and Donald Maclean. He then gave details of some spies who had not been unmasked, including the Briton John Vassall and a Russian double agent who had operated mostly in Germany named Aleksander Kopatzky. Vassall. a relatively low-level official at the Foreign Office. was later arrested, convicted and jailed. The case against Kopatzky was unproven and after a brief period seeking refuge in the Russian Consulate he braved it out and lived peacefully in Virginia for the rest of his days. Golitsyn also gave enough clues for the authorities, at last, to unmask Kim Philby — a spy who, having been effectively neutered a decade earlier, had arguably outlived his usefulness to the Soviets.

For Oldfield, the most relevant of the traitors was the largely anonymous Vassall.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   11:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nolu chan (#17) (Edited)

you can present another triangle with a side longer than the hypotenuse as a display of your inner genius.

LOL

You're a Lying Sack of Donkey Shit.

==========================

Do the Math, Professor DonkeyDung.

https://libertysflame.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=53025&Disp=186#C186

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   11:28:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nolu chan (#17) (Edited)

Virtually all of Russia knows Sidorov.

You Bolshe-commie disinfo shills were more entertaining back in the 70's when the manure you were spreading at least had entertainment value with UFO's and stories about Bigfoot.

Do you think Vlad Putin's alleged affinity with Alexander Solzhenitsyn is legitimate - or just more smoke and Bolshebullshyte?

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   11:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: nolu chan (#0) (Edited)

Putin: Maybe Jews or minorities behind US election interference

=========================================

Hey. Now there's a CURRENT thought for ya, Nolu Chimp!

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   11:50:18 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: nolu chan (#17)

Spymaster: The Life of Britain's Most Decorated Cold War Spy and Head of MI6, Sir Maurice Oldfield,

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   11:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: VxH (#20)

Now there's a CURRENT thought for ya, Nolu Chimp!

You have never exhibited any thought.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   13:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: VxH (#18)

Do the Math, Professor DonkeyDung.

I liked the old simple triangle with the side being longer than the hypotenuse as expounding your great intellect.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   13:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: VxH (#21)

Spymaster: The Life of Britain's Most Decorated Cold War Spy and Head of MI6, Sir Maurice Oldfield, Transworld Publishers (May 1, 2018)

By Martin Pearce

[Excerpt]

It's easy to see why Angleton became intoxicated with Golitsyn and his theories, and equally easy to see why the official historian of MI5, Professor Christopher Andrew, was to describe him as 'an unreliable conspiracy theorist'. Golitsyn began by confirming the identities of two Soviet spies the CIA and M16 had known of but whose activities they had never been able to prove legally, and who were already safely in Russia: Guy Burgess and Donald Maclean. He then gave details of some spies who had not been unmasked, including the Briton John Vassall and a Russian double agent who had operated mostly in Germany named Aleksander Kopatzky. Vassall. a relatively low-level official at the Foreign Office. was later arrested, convicted and jailed. The case against Kopatzky was unproven and after a brief period seeking refuge in the Russian Consulate he braved it out and lived peacefully in Virginia for the rest of his days. Golitsyn also gave enough clues for the authorities, at last, to unmask Kim Philby — a spy who, having been effectively neutered a decade earlier, had arguably outlived his usefulness to the Soviets.

For Oldfield, the most relevant of the traitors was the largely anonymous Vassall.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   13:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nolu chan (#24)

What'a matta donkey breath - can't do the math?

 

https://libertysflame.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=53025&Disp=186#C186

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   14:22:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan (#24) (Edited)

Britain's Most Decorated Cold War Spy and Head of MI6, Sir Maurice Oldfield,

Oldefield the alleged pedophile?

https://www.google.com/search? q=Maurice+Oldfield+pedophile

About 3,750 results  (0.42 seconds) 

Rutroh!

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   14:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: nolu chan (#0) (Edited)

Somebody who actually WAS right about Russia:

NIXON:  "The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, (Atty. Gen. John) Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this."

EHRLICHMAN: "It's fatal liberality,"

NIXON: "Huh?"

EHRLICHMAN: "It's fatal liberality -   And with its use on television, it has such leverage."


How're (D)onny's fatally liberal Poodle Tribe offspring and son-in law coming along with pushing the LGBTQXWhatever agenda from the White Kennel?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ivanka+trump+LGBT

 

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   14:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: nolu chan (#0)

[Israel Shows What Alliances Are For BY DAVID P. GOLDMAN]

Does Gold Man have any spewage describing how Herbert Marcuse and other tribe members subverted American culture via the Frankfurt School?

Herbert is especially notable in his role of instigating the Cold War via his "analysis" of Soviet Economics.... before he uncloaked as the "father of the New Left" and prepared the fattened Golden Calf for an easy slaughter.

After all what fun is it to BBQ a skinny cow... with horns!?

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   15:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: VxH (#28)

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   15:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: nolu chan (#29) (Edited)

What time the herd legalize sodomy, again, in New Bolostan?

1963.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-17   15:33:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: VxH (#15)

I see you are still incapable of using the Google to find Ivan Petrovich Sidorov and still have no clue who it is. Pathetic.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   23:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: nolu chan (#31)

I see you are still incapable of using the Google to find Ivan Petrovich Sidorov

Well wire up that calculator and show us how it's done, Igor!

VxH  posted on  2018-07-18   12:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: VxH (#32)

Well wire up that calculator and show us how it's done, Igor!

Your apparent use of a calculator to search the internet may explain your continuing inability to identify Ivan Petrovich Sidorov.

Here's an Ivan Petrovich Sidorov that your calculator failed to find:

https://www.facebook.com/people/Ivan-Petrovich-Sidorov/100004557936311

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-18   16:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: nolu chan (#33) (Edited)

Yawn. A FB link with no content. Is he as Current as Vlad Putin?


"I thought about something just now:

The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,"

Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDtgWUtdUM

VxH  posted on  2018-07-19   13:17:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: VxH (#34)

Yawn. A FB link with no content. Is he as Current as Vlad Putin?

What a stupid comment. Ivan Petrovich Sidorov is always current. He may be one of the most cited people in Russian litigation. You may be one of the least competent users of Google ever.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-19   15:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: VxH (#34)

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-19   15:01:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: nolu chan (#35) (Edited)

He may be one of the most cited people in Russian litigation.

And yet with regards to his/your alleged "debunking" of Golitsyn...

LOL. FAIL.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-19   16:20:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: VxH (#37)

And yet with regards to his/your alleged "debunking" of Golitsyn...

Pearce, Spymaster (2017) at p. 283:

Even when Golitsyn's claims that the Sino-Soviet splid had been a cunning ruse to foil the West were comprehensively debunked — something that should have sent alarm bells ringing — Angleton and his followers agreed that everything else must still be true. They'd invested their whole reputations in their pet defector.

- - - - - - - - - -

LOL. FAIL.

)))

Still too inept to effectively use the Google.

You appear to make pretty, if absurd, graphics with Google sketchup, even featuring a triangle with a side longer than the hypotenuse. You are a genius.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-19   23:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: nolu chan (#38)

You appear to make pretty, if absurd, graphics with Google sketchup, even featuring a triangle with a side longer than the hypotenuse. You are a genius.

.

Do the math, Donkey Breath.

 

https://libertysflame.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=53025&Disp=186#C186

VxH  posted on  2018-07-20   9:13:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: VxH (#39)

)))

Still too inept to effectively use the Google.

You appear to make pretty, if absurd, graphics with Google sketchup, even featuring a triangle with a side longer than the hypotenuse. You are a genius.

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=53025&Disp=176#C176


#176. To: VxH (#175)

How you coming along with that Average Velocity for the 75 foot segment ending at 1950 ft?

It came along quite well. Anything that travels 1950 feet in 1.06 seconds travels an average velocity of 2122.64 feet per second. The formula is distance divided by time.

How are you coming along with your bullet going splat at ~520 feet ground distance from Mandalay Bay?

How did you work out that negative 33º angle?

Side a represents the vertical height of Paddock's vantage point. At the 32nd floor, and at 10.9 feet per floor, (32-1) x 10.9 = 338 feet.

The VxH specified shooting angle was -33°. This should probably be expressed as a positive angle of declination. Not all ballistic calculators will even accept a negative angle value, but specify 0 to 90 degrees.

For another calculator, see:

http://gundata.org/blog/post/223-ballistics-chart/

It appears that VxH drew an imaginary horizontal line d at a vertical height of 338 feet from the ground, and an imaginary 338 foot line e down to the ground, bringing into view a rectangle with a mirror image triangle to that above.

VxH guessed 33º as the acute angle formed at the junction of sides c and imaginary side d at point B. VxH guessed very wrongly.

With a specified shooting angle of 33º at the junction of lines c and d, the angle made by sides c and b would also be 33º, and angle ß, made by sides a and c would be 57º. (The right angle at point A is 90º. The other two angles must add up to 90º.)

With side a being 338 feet, side b would be 520.4743578 feet, and side c would be 620.5944 feet.

As may be seen, disregarding gravity, if the bullet flew downward at the specified 33º from a height of 338 feet, it would fly a straight line of sight path into the ground at ~520 feet from the Mandalay Bay at ground level.

Calculating the bullet velocity after that point may be difficult, even with secret Klingon math.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-11-07   16:14:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=53025&Disp=181#C181

#181. To: VxH, A K A Stone (#179)

VxH guessed 33º as the acute angle formed at the junction of sides c and imaginary side d at point B. VxH guessed very wrongly.

Yep. You're almost right - I've been meaning to take another look at the angle with a model in Google Sketchup... which says At 1290' from a height of 338' is -14.7

Damn, you are more screwed up than I thought.

Now you are presenting a triangle with side a being 338 feet, side b being 1290 feet 7 inches (1290.5833 ft), and an hypotenuse of 1009 ft 4 in. I positively can't remember the last triangle I saw where the hypotenuse was shorter than one of the sides. Your Klingon math is magic, and Google Sketchup is a miracle worker.

If side a is 338 ft, and the angle of elevation of 14.7º rises to that height of 338 ft, side b will be 1264.283557 feet. So, the hypotenuse is impossible, and side b is whack by 26 feet.

If the angle of elevation is 14.7 degrees, and the range is 1290' 7", then the height would be 345.0311072 feet and each floor would be over 11 feet.

Put down Google sketch and pick up a scientific calculator and do some trigonometry. You can actually get correct results with trig.

You are supposed to be dazzling me with your math skills, not some shit like Google Sketchup.

Google Sketchup? Really?

nolu chan  posted on  2017-11-08   23:52:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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