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Title: Sayonara, 'America First'! We Hardly Knew Ye!
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Published: Dec 1, 2018
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President Donald Trump’s cancellation of his planned meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Buenos Aires G20 is another sign of the now almost certain demise of his declared “America First” agenda – and perhaps of his presidency. Supposedly decided in response to a Ukraine-Russia naval incident in the Kerch Strait, dumping the meeting is universally and correctly seen as a response to the guilty plea of his former lawyer and “fixer,” Michael Cohen, to lying to Congress (notice that James Clapper isn’t forced to plead to his perjury before the Senate) and Cohen’s disclosure of Trump’s fruitless business dealings in Russia.

Keep in mind that this comes at a time when grand inquisitor Robert Mueller is on thin ice – or would be, if Trump and his team had a clue. Consider: in just the past few days Jerome Corsi, Roger Stone, and belatedly perhaps even Paul Manafort have delivered what amounts to a case against Mueller’s underlings, including subornation of testimony they knew to be false – a felony punishable by five years in the slammer (18 US Code § 1622 – Subornation of perjury). Is Trump or any of his lawyers thinking of having the victims swear out a complaint and instructing the Justice Department actually to prosecute these miscreants? No, of course not, even though at least Corsi appears to be willing.

Likewise Trump threatens to declassify “a wide swath of ‘devastating’ documents related to the Mueller probe, which he had initially planned to do in September before changing his mind” on the beseeching of British Prime Minister Theresa May. Britain’s worst prime minister ever is desperate to hide the fact that at its root there’s nothing Russian about “Russiagate” but there’s lots and lots of British MI6, GCHQ, and other Five Eyes skullduggery aimed at subverting the 2016 US election and preventing any possible rapprochement between Washington and Moscow. With respect to both goals this massive PSYOP and political warfare campaign by the US-UK Deep State has been a smashing success.

Trump has the goods on them but just sits on his hands and threatens. (He should heed that great philosopher Tuco from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: “When you have to shoot, shoot – don’t talk.”) For those patiently waiting for Trump’s “4D chess” game to unleash QAon’s “Storm,” here’s a news flash: the cavalry is not coming to the rescue. The following are just a few names that will never be brought to justice: Rod Rosenstein, Peter Strzok, Bruce Ohr, Andrew McCabe, James Comey, Lisa Page, Andrew Weissmann, Stefan Halper, Christopher Steele, Joseph Mifsud, Richard Dearlove, Andrew Wood, Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch, Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin, Samantha Power, Sally Yates, Jeannie Rhee, Eric Holder, James Clapper, John Brennan, and Barack Hussein Obama. Oh, and Hillary Clinton of course (while the whistleblower on her corrupt activities gets raided by the FBI).

These august personages are not subject to the laws binding on ordinary mortals like thee and me. These scoundrels will skate. All of them. That’s why a smug, world-class criminal like Brennan can mock Trump’s complaints as similar to how “corrupt authoritarian leaders abroad behaved before they were deposed.” He already anticipates dancing on Trump’s (probably figurative) grave.

Back to the Cohen plea, it’s entirely likely it was timed to have precisely the result of scuttling the Trump-Putin meeting. There can be no better illustration of the weakness of Trump's position than his inability to engage in even a semblance of statesmanship with respect to the leader of the one power on the planet with which the US absolutely must have some minimal working relationship.

With the Democrats set to take over in the House of Representatives in just over a month, we'll soon see intensified investigations coordinated with Mueller to find any possible pretext for impeachment in Trump’s business or private life. It’s conventional wisdom that even if the Democrat-controlled House can find something to support articles of impeachment the GOP-held Senate will be Trump’s firewall. Bunk. Democrats rallied around their president Bill Clinton but it was Republicans who threw Richard Nixon to the wolves. Are there a dozen or so Republican Senators who would be ready to dump Trump and install Mike Pence in the Oval Office? You betcha. Start with Mitt Romney.

As the noose around Trump’s neck continues to tighten, his response will be to keep on carping about how unfair it all is, that there was no collusion with Russia, that it’s a “total witch hunt” that should be ended. All true, all meaningless. He has the weapons to fight back but lacks the knowledge or personnel to use them. So he complains. He tweets. Meanwhile, on substance he's jumping up and down like a monkey on a string.

Which leaves us asking: Why?

One of the burdens carried by those of us Deplorables who early in 2016 declared our support for the then-improbable candidacy of Donald Trump has been the taunts of those who “knew better.” Trump was a fraud, they said, “just a BS-ing con man who would say anything to get elected.” He was a stalking horse to help usher in President Hillary (what other Republican could she possibly beat?). He was crude, impulsive, irritable, egotistical, dyslexic, and incapable of and uninterested in learning anything he doesn’t already know. He was a flimflam artist who had cheated everyone he’d ever done business with or been married to and would abuse his lumpen Murican political supporters in Flyover Country accordingly. He was just another globalist neocon flunky of the Israelis, the Saudis, and the Deep State who was only mouthing populist rhetoric to get elected. He was a shyster on the make whose only goal was to enhance his “brand” to get even richer. He was a huckster with big assets in Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, and other nasty, nasty places, who just wanted to make a killing on his investments. And so on …

Those of us who supported Trump (and who still struggle to support him) point to his repeated use of America First and national interest language even when it was politically counterproductive and only served to subject him to vilification by Democrats and establishment Republicans alike. Ditto his repeated appeals for better relations with Russia, even at the cost of being accused of treason by the same antagonists and their media shills. Ditto the claim from a hostile source like Bob Woodward that behind doors Trump repeatedly tries to do the right thing, like get the US out of Afghanistan and Syria, but then is overruled by “experts” who are his nominal subordinates. Ditto his seeming “art of the deal” transformation of his bluster and threat competition with “Little Rocket Man” into the best chance for peace on the Korean peninsula in seven decades. From his unscripted comments and tweets, there always seems to be a little 2016 Candidate Trump fighting to get out of President Trump but never quite succeeding . . .

But how then to explain his terrible, horrible, no good, very bad national security team? His beeline to Saudi Arabia, Israel, and NATO headquarters in his maiden foreign policy trip to reaffirm mindless hostility to Iran and America’s suicide pact with useless so-called “allies” in Europe? His authorization of lethal weapons to Ukraine? His two cruise missile strikes on Syria on transparently bogus claims of chemical weapons use? His ever-tightening of sanctions on Russia and nonstop expansion of NATO? His continued naval provocations against China?

To characterize as “low” expectations of any Trump-Putin sidebar meeting that might have happened at the G20 is putting it extremely mildly. (Who knows, maybe they’ll still manage to steal a few sweet moments for a quick tête-à-tête, like a secret tryst of illicit lovers. Maybe Strzok and Page can provide some pointers.) Even laying aside the endless navel-gazing about what President Trump really wants, and why his administration’s foreign policy bears almost no resemblance to his 2016 America First platform, it’s pretty clear that in practice the US course will remain essentially a continuation of the failed policies of the past three decades: a futile attempt to maintain US global hegemony indefinitely at any cost. That can have only one hideous outcome.

With regard to Russia, the Kerch Strait incident will serve as another pretext for sanctions that will soon be added with the predictability that night follows day. The ongoing trade war with China (on purely economic grounds not wrong in itself) serves as a backdrop for continued dragon-baiting in the South China Sea, the Taiwan Strait, and Xinjiang, all places where the US has no actual interests. Even Trump’s minimal potential as a wrecking ball to disrupt the dysfunctional commitments he inherited doesn’t seem to be working out. The Swamp-critters to whom he’s entrusted his administration dance along their merry way as though Mitt Romney or ¡Jeb! Bush were president, with little or no interference from their nominal boss.

On top of hastening the bankruptcy of the US, the danger of war with Russia, or China, or both will continue to increase. Neither Russian President Putin nor Chinese President Xi Jinping can still have any illusions about that and are planning accordingly. No one knows exactly when or where we will reach the point of no return.

Russian and Chinese officials have warned the US about their preparedness for war in so many words. No one in Washington is listening, except to the extent that the new report of a Congressionally mandated commission has concluded that despite spending on our military ten times what Russia does and three times China’s outlays, we still might lose a war to either of those powers.

So what do the Swamp-critters draw from that? We need to spend even more! And Trump will accommodate them.

The one bright spot so far has been on the Korean peninsula – for which Trump deserves great credit, though his minions are working overtime to avert the horrid prospect that peace might break out and we’d no longer have an excuse to keep troops in South Korea. On everything else, even where developments favor disengagement from involvements not conducive to American interests, Trump’s administration insists on digging back in.

For example, France’s “Little Macro” wants a European army. It’s a ridiculous pipe dream, especially since Europe faces no external threat except migration, against which a conventional force is mostly useless. But Trump should be thrilled to take him up on the offer and turn European security over to Europeans. Instead he’s trying to sink the idea.

Likewise, in the Syrian conflict it’s clear that with Russian and Iranian help President Bashar al-Assad’s government has beaten the jihadists sicced on that unfortunate land by the US and our so-called allies, but Washington won’t admit it and still hopes to leverage Assad’s departure. Why, because of ISIS, which Trump said was the sole reason we have thousands of US troops (illegally) in that country? No, but because of the need to oppose Iran and impose regime change in Tehran, as well as denying Moscow a “win.”

Iran (an Israeli obsession having no bearing on US security) is also the reason Trump declined to take the exit ramp the Khashoggi murder offered from our unnecessary commitment to the despicable Wahhabist regime in Riyadh. Instead he has doubled down on US support for Mohammed bin Salman while absurd plans for an “Arab NATO” proceed, as though one NATO weren’t already bad enough.

None of this is America First. In a sane policymaking world, Trump should be looking to cut a spheres of influence deal with Putin (and with Xi and maybe with India’s Narendra Modi). Maybe that’s what Trump really wants, maybe it isn’t. Or maybe someone just gave him The Talk: “Do what you’re told, Mr. President, or you and maybe your kid will end up like Jack Kennedy.”

In the final analysis, it doesn’t seem to matter much what Trump wants. It would be only a small exaggeration to say that with respect to foreign and security policy Trump is now a mere figurehead of the permanent state. Even if Trump and Putin do happen to meet again, what can the latter expect the former to say that would make any difference?

As a signal of the approaching end of the short-lived hope of America First, cancellation of Trump-Putin is the penultimate act but not yet the final one. The fat lady’s aria will be when Julian Assange is dragged to Washington in chains, like some barbarian chieftain paraded in a Roman triumph.

Ultimately, as Ann Coulter writes (with respect to the Mexican border crisis, where Trump is at least doing slightly better than in foreign affairs but not by much), Trump might “only be remembered as a small cartoon figure who briefly inflamed and amused the rabble.” If so, his failure will have frittered away the only peaceful chance to avert the looming death of our nation at the hands of the Cultural Marxist duopoly as well as to turn aside from the real prospect of a world war – one from which America cannot emerge undamaged as we did from the first two.

P.S. I would be genuinely thrilled to be wrong about all of the foregoing.

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0) (Edited)


MiTT romney

The insurance policy


If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2018-12-01   20:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#2. To: BorisY, Senator Mittens (#1)

MiTT romney

That's SENATOR Mitt Romney to you, peon!

Hondo68  posted on  2018-12-01   20:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

I agree, especially with the line after P.S.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2018-12-01   23:35:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#4. To: hondo68 (#0)

President Donald Trump’s cancellation of his planned meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Buenos Aires G20 is another sign of the now almost certain demise of his declared “America First” agenda – and perhaps of his presidency. Supposedly decided in response to a Ukraine-Russia naval incident in the Kerch Strait, dumping the meeting is universally and correctly seen as a response to the guilty plea of his former lawyer and “fixer,” Michael Cohen, to lying to Congress (notice that James Clapper isn’t forced to plead to his perjury before the Senate) and Cohen’s disclosure of Trump’s fruitless business dealings in Russia.

Of course it is "universally" so considered. How will Trump ever survive Cohen stating that the exploration of a deal with Russians about sticking Trump's name on a possible tower in Moscow did not really end in January but in June 2016? In any case, the end came before Donald Trump was so much as a nominee for President.

And why would the President care that Russia had seized a Ukranian ship and was still holding the ship and its crew?

Transcript Donald J. Trump Jr., Judiciary Committee, September 7, 2017, pp. 176-77:

Perhaps the smoking gun was a potential deal explored with Aras Agalarov or Felix Sater, a U.S. Government asset.

11 Q. In this same time frame, 2015 or 2016,
12 when Mr. Sater and Mr. Cohen were exploring a
13 possible deal, do you know if anyone else was also
14 exploring a deal simultaneously with the Trump
15 Organization to build in Moscow?
16 A. I don't believe so.
17 Q. We've discussed the Agalarov family, Emin
18 and his father Aras. Do you know if they were also
19 exploring building a Trump Tower in Moscow?
20 A. We had looked at it earlier than that, but
21 it sort of faded away I believe at the end of '14.
22 Q. But not in 2015 or 2016?
23 A. Certainly not '16. There was never a
24 definitive end to it. It just died of deal
25 fatigue.

1. Q. How did that deal first come about?
2. MR. FUTERFAS: Which just for clarification?
3. MR. PRIVOR: The Agalarovs in 2014.

The potential Agalarov deal died of deal fatigue in 2014, certainly not in 2015 or 2016.

A potential deal was worked on by Cohen and Sater in 2015 or 2016, the time frame stated by the questioner. It died before Donald Trump secured the nomination in July 2016.

Perhaps the smoking gun was meeting with Felix Sater in 2006 to look at a potential Trump property in Moscow.

At page 129:

13 Q. Did you attempt any deals within Russia?
14 A. We looked at one deal I believe in 2006, I
15 believe, but early 2006. We looked at one deal in
16 Russia, but it never materialized.
17 Q. And did you travel to Russia with
18 Mr. Sater?
19 A. I didn't travel there with him, but I met
20 him there.
21 Q. And what did you do with him in Russia, to
22 the best of your recollection?
23 A. We met with some guys that were developers
24 to look at a potential Trump property in Moscow.

Likewise Trump threatens to declassify “a wide swath of ‘devastating’ documents related to the Mueller probe.

Actually, Trump spoke of a trove of documents related to the FBI submissions to the FISC, the last application signed by Rod Rosenstein, and associated documents.

Trump has the goods on them but just sits on his hands and threatens.

That weapon only shoots once. One shot would kil the FBI swamp critters. It would also invite blowback from the UK and Australia.

Back to the Cohen plea, it’s entirely likely it was timed to have precisely the result of scuttling the Trump-Putin meeting.

The again, it could have been timed with hondo having his period.

As the noose around Trump’s neck continues to tighten, his response will be to keep on carping about how unfair it all is, that there was no collusion with Russia, that it’s a “total witch hunt” that should be ended. All true, all meaningless.

All true and meaning there is no Russian collusion to investigate. Meaning the Mueller investigation is a sham being used for partisan political purposes and not to investigate any crime within the purview of the Special Counsel's mandate.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-12-02   2:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: nolu chan (#4)

That weapon only shoots once. One shot would kil the FBI swamp critters. It would also invite blowback from the UK and Australia.

If I were Trump I would not only shoot that weapon, I would declassify and publish an enormous amount of material on my various political enemies.

I would fire Mueller, and issue executive orders to get done what needs to be done.

And if the House impeached me, and the Senate was looking like it was going to remove me, I'd go ahead and declassify and release ALL of the dirt on every seated member of Congress, people in the agencies, federal judges - just absolutely burn everything to the ground.

Samson in the Temple. What I would NOT do was resign. I also would not obey unconstitutional orders of the courts. I would directly challenge judicial review - if necessary - and make it the issue a simple question: if the Senate will not remove me from office, then I do, in fact, have a Presidential override on Supreme Court decisions that are unconstitutional.

Full Samson in the Temple. You will defer and let me run a normal Presidency, or I will fire you and shut you down. If you then retaliate and paralyse government, I will retaliate with legal and intelligence nuclear weapons and make it impossible for the two existing parties and the existing establishment and government to continue to govern. Burn the house to the ground.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-12-02   20:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

That weapon only shoots once. One shot would kil[l] the FBI swamp critters. It would also invite blowback from the UK and Australia.

If I were Trump I would not only shoot that weapon, I would declassify and publish an enormous amount of material on my various political enemies.

Where we have an intelligence agency prohibited by law from spying internally within the U.S., we get creative and have a foreign intelligence just happen to perform spying which develops the information we seek. Then, under an agreement such as Five Eyes, they can legally share their serendipitous collection with our intelligence agency, and all nod and wink.

Of course, we return the favor when another member of the club desires, all unofficially, of course.

Consider recording the intimate conversation of the Crown Prince of England while he was married to Princess Diana, by an anonymous "scanner enthusiast" who gets the story to break in an Australian publication.


Princess Diana was delighted by Charles's 'Camillagate' humiliation, new book reveals

Memoir by former bodyguard quotes Royal reacting with glee and saying 'Game, set and match' after reading of ex-husband's leaked conversation in Daily Mirror in 1993

Toby Jones
Thursday 10 August 2017 14:16


Full Transcript of a telephone conversation between Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles the 45 year old wife of a bridadier.

The six minute bedtime conversation is said to be recorded by a scanner user on December 18th 1989. There are also reports that infact the conversation was recorded by MI5 at GCHQ and re-broadcasted several times in the hopea scanner user would record it and leak it to the papers. There is also reports that infact 27 other similar tapes exist in the MI5 vaults.

First published in an Australia Magazine 'New idea' and then followed by press in Germany, America, Italy, Switzerland and Ireland. It was then published in the Daily Sport circulation 210,000 and Kent Today Circulation 34,000. It was also widely faxed from machine to machine in the House of Commons, Business centres and in the civil service around the U.K including the security services of course.

Finally two major newspapers the Sunday Mirror and Sunday People printed in it full on 17th January 1993 making it available to the millions.

Now it's available to you for no charge, See what you think.

The tape begins a small way though the conversation and lasts six minutes until Charles hangs the phone up.

Charles: He was a bit anxious actually

Camilla: Was he?

Charles: He thought he might of gone too far.

Camilla: Ah well.

Charles: Anyway you know that's the sort of thing one has to beware of. And sort of feel one's way along with - if you know what I mean.

Camilla: Mmmm. You're awfully good feeling your way along.

Charles: Oh Stop! I want to feel my way along you, all over you and up and down you and in and out...

Camilla: Oh!

Charles: Particularly in and out!

Camilla: Oh. that's just what I need at the moment.

Charles: Is it?

At this point the scanner enthusiast speaks over the couple to record the date

Scanner Enthusiast: December 18th

Camilla: I know it would revive me. I can't bear a Sunday night without you.

Charles: Oh, God.

Camilla: It's like that programme Start the Week. I can't start the week without you.

Charles: I fill up your tank!

Camilla: Yes, you do

Charles: Then you can cope.

Camilla: Then I'm all right

Charles: What about me? The trouble is I need you several times a week.

Camilla: Mmmm, so do I. I need you all the week. All the time.

Charles: Oh. God. I'll just live inside your trousers or something. It would be much easier!

Camilla: (laughing) "what are you going to turn into, a pair of knickers?

Both laugh

Camilla: Oh, You're your'e going to come back as a pair of knickers.

Charles: Or, God forbid a Tampax. Just my luck! (Laughs)

Camilla: You are a complete idiot (Laughs) Oh, what a wonderful idea.

Charles: My luck to be chucked down the lavatory and go on and on forever swirling round on the top, never going down.

Camilla: (Laughing) Oh, Darling!

Charles: Until the next one comes through.

Camilla: Oh, perhaps you could come back as a box.

Charles: What sort of box?

Camilla: A box of Tampax, so you could just keep going.

Charles: That's true.

Recall that Edward Snowden revealed ECHELON.



"Echelon" was created in the incubator of the Cold War. Today it is a legacy system, and several NSA stations are closing.

NSA/CSS, in combination with the equivalent agencies in the United Kingdom (Government Communications Headquarters), Canada (Communications Security Establishment), Australia (Defence Signals Directorate), and New Zealand (Government Communications Security Bureau), otherwise known as the UKUSA group, was reported to be in command of the operation of the so-called ECHELON system. Its capabilities were suspected to include the ability to monitor a large proportion of the world's transmitted civilian telephone, fax and data traffic.

During the early 1970s, the first of what became more than eight large satellite communications dishes were installed at Menwith Hill. Investigative journalist Duncan Campbell reported in 1988 on the "ECHELON" surveillance program, an extension of the UKUSA Agreement on global signals intelligence SIGINT, and detailed how the eavesdropping operations worked. On November 3, 1999 the BBC reported that they had confirmation from the Australian Government of the existence of a powerful "global spying network" code-named Echelon, that could "eavesdrop on every single phone call, fax or e-mail, anywhere on the planet" with Britain and the United States as the chief protagonists. They confirmed that Menwith Hill was "linked directly to the headquarters of the US National Security Agency (NSA) at Fort Meade in Maryland".

NSA's United States Signals Intelligence Directive 18 (USSID 18) strictly prohibited the interception or collection of information about "... U.S. persons, entities, corporations or organizations...." without explicit written legal permission from the United States Attorney General when the subject is located abroad, or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court when within U.S. borders. Alleged Echelon-related activities, including its use for motives other than national security, including political and industrial espionage, received criticism from countries outside the UKUSA alliance.

Protesters against NSA data mining in Berlin wearing Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden masks

Other SIGINT operations overseas

The NSA was also involved in planning to blackmail people with "SEXINT", intelligence gained about a potential target's sexual activity and preferences. Those targeted had not committed any apparent crime nor were they charged with one.


RAF Menwith Hill

Royal Air Force Menwith Hill is a Royal Air Force station near Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England, which provides communications and intelligence support services to the United Kingdom and the United States. The site contains an extensive satellite ground station and is a communications intercept and missile warning site. It has been described as the largest electronic monitoring station in the world.

RAF Menwith Hill is owned by the Ministry of Defence (MoD), but made available to the US Department of Defense (DoD) under the NATO Status of Forces Agreement 1951 and other, undisclosed agreements between the US and British governments. It is run entirely by US authorities, with support provided by around 400 staff from Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), in addition to United States Air Force (USAF) and US National Security Agency (NSA) personnel. In 2014, the number of American personnel was reduced as part of a streamlining of operations due to improvements in technology.

The site acts as a ground station for a number of satellites operated by the US National Reconnaissance Office, on behalf of the NSA, with antennae contained in a large number of highly distinctive white radomes, locally referred to as "the golf balls", and is alleged to be an element of the ECHELON system.

The question is not what is hidden under the FISA Court rock, but what is hidden in several decades of illicit intelligence, collected with a nod and a wink to skirt national laws by all sides, at the request of all sides.

While outing what the UK or Australia has done at the request of the US, such a unlateral release by the US government would almost certainly see a backlash from the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The release of a few decades of the most embarrassing stuff, by all sides, could rewrite history or start a war.

It would be one helluva show.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-12-03   16:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#7. To: nolu chan (#6)

Delenda est mundi.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-12-03   20:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

Delenda est mundi.

Perhaps, but I think the information will be used more like Assange's "Insurance" file.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-12-04   1:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#9. To: nolu chan (#8)

Perhaps, but I think the information will be used more like Assange's "Insurance" file.

Easier to kill him than to try him. He has a weak heart. Tragic case, really.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-12-04   6:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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