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Title: Fresno police officer punches innocent teen multiple times
Source: KABC
URL Source: https://abc7.com/video-fresno-polic ... s-teen-multiple-times/5483063/
Published: Aug 21, 2019
Author: KABC
Post Date: 2019-08-22 10:03:54 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 1501
Comments: 74

FRESNO, Calif. (KABC) -- Allegations of excessive force are being aimed at a police officer in Fresno after bodycam video shows a teen being repeatedly punched.

This video shows officers at an apartment complex looking for wanted gang members.


After one teen is frisked and told to sit down, an officer jumps on him and starts punching him multiple times.

Audio transcript from police body camera:
"Attention, apartment 204, this is the Fresno Police Department. If you're inside make your presence known."

"Hey, don't touch my little brother."

WATCH: Body camera footage captures the confrontation

Police now say 17-year-old London Wallace has no gang affiliations and no criminal history.


The teen was initially charged with resisting arrest, but after seeing the bodycam video, prosecutors have now dropped all charges.

Fresno police have now launched an internal affairs investigation, and Wallace has filed an excessive force lawsuit against the department.

"It's a very disappointing situation. You can see London Wallace crying. You can see him bleeding," said attorney Nolan Kane.

London Wallace had no gang connections and no criminal history.

"He's a high school kid. He likes playing basketball. He's a nice, calm, timid person," Kane said. "And you can kind of see that in the video. He's not used to police contact."

Officer Christopher Martinez wrote in his report that he thought Wallace was going to try to run away. He said he punched Wallace three times in the face, which let the officer get his back off the second story balcony railing.

Legal analyst Ralph Torres says police usually have a built-in civil lawsuit defense of fearing for the officer's safety.

"But in this case, the kid was patted down. There was nothing there," Torres said. "And I don't see anything that was consistent with an officer basically putting his fist right through his face."
Nolan Kane says it's important for the public to see the body camera footage so they can get the full picture, which often benefits police, but not in this case.

"In this case, it's not going to be London's word against the officer's word. The jury's going to get to see the full footage and they'll be able to decide whether this is something that's acceptable," Kane said.

Police chief Jerry Dyer saw the video for the first time Tuesday.

"I can tell you after looking at the video that it is disturbing to see what occurred in the video," Dyer said.

An initial use of force investigation didn't find the officer used excessive force, but Chief Dyer says there's now an internal affairs investigation. He says there are a lot of different angles and different people may have different perspectives, but the investigation will be conducted quickly and it could possibly lead to discipline.

KFSN-TV contributed to this report.

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#35. To: Tooconservative (#31)

The kid was disarmed and not resisting. He wasn't under arrest. He was a bystander with no criminal record who happened to be in an apartment in a complex. We don't know if the victim was actually a resident of that apartment or not or why there were a number of young men present or whether those young men constituted a criminal gang or people breaking the law. Or whether the victim just stopped in for a few minutes to see a classmate and all these thuggish types the cops were shaking down were present when the raid was launched. And the single most damning statement is the one by the police chief. They don't say their officer was "disturbing" if they're actually backing up his legitimate arrest. At least, I've never read such a case.

The kid was unarmed, not disarmed. We do know his was attending a party, and not a resident of the apartment. We know people were attending a party. Wallace was told to sit and got up in the officer's face. Call it what you will.

Or whether the victim just stopped in for a few minutes to see a classmate

Oh, please. And Fresno police conducted a probation search for domestic violence.

His claim is use of excessive force. It is a civil suit.

The D.A. does not proceed to trial when he may have an embarrassing lack of proof. Some municipality officials do throw away taxpayer money to settle civil suits and win votes. Heck, it's not like it's his money. The D.A. does not do it. The D.A. only handles criminal prosecutions. The civil litigation would handled elsewhere.

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article234210312.html

Kane [nc - Wallace's attorney] said Wallace, 17, and several others were attending a birthday party at the complex when Fresno police conducted a probation search for domestic violence.

In the body cam footage, Wallace places his hands behind his head with his fingers locked as a pair of officers pat him down.

After Wallace is done being patted down, one of the officers says a few words to Wallace and points toward the ground where other people are sitting down.

Within five seconds, Martinez confronts Wallace and grabs the teen’s arm.

Wallace yelled back at Martinez.

Then a man who claimed to be Wallace’s brother, Patrick Beard, yells: “Hey, don’t touch my little brother.”

Almost simultaneously, Martinez unleashes a fury of punches at Wallace’s head.

“I noticed Wallace was not listening,” Martinez said, according to a Fresno police report. “I believed Wallace was going to attempt to flee. …

“I punched Wallace approximately three times in the face in order to get him off me and to back him up. …”

“By punching Wallace in the face,” Martinez added, “I received the desired effect, creating the distance between me and Wallace, which allowed me to get my back off of the second story balcony railing.”

Body cam footage goes on to show Wallace wrestled to the ground by officers and police struggling to get both of his hands behind his back and handcuff him.

Eventually the body cam footage shows Wallace in tears, with blood on the side of his right eye, along with a bloody nose and bloody mouth. Kane said Wallace suffered a broken nose.

“I ain’t do nothing to you,” Wallace appears to say to police. “I didn’t do (sic) to nobody.”

Wallace was arrested that day on accusations of resisting arrest and obstruction.

The charges were later dropped.

“What you see is an officer who is unprovoked but taking irresponsible actions against a minor who was of no threat to the officers or their investigation,” Kane said. “My firm has had several cases against the city and county where no criminal charges were ever brought against the officers for excessive force.

“We do recognize a pattern. Hopefully, a jury will, too.”

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Any competent civil attorney is going to have a field day with this in court. Or he would if the city wasn't going to settle first.

It is the land of fruits and nuts, where tens of thousands shit and piss on the sidewalks, so who knows.

We now know that Wallace dindu nuthin to nobody.

Just how long should the officer debate with the yute about the yute sitting down???

Is 5 seconds sufficient, or is 60 seconds called for as in a presidential debate?

nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-24   16:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: misterwhite (#32)

Like the bar scene in Inglourious Basterds. What a slaughter.

I haven't seen Inglorious Basterds. Maybe like The Gunfighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXfltmzRG-g

8m 45s

nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-24   16:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: misterwhite (#33)

He could have dropped them in exchange for no civil suit against the cop.

How do you know he hasn't? Or that he worked out an agreement not to prosecute that older brother? Or to oppose the parole of another incarcerated family member?

We do not know all the facts on the ground. There are almost certainly circumstances not covered in the article. And this story is old-ish. Maybe they've already worked out an arrangement. Or maybe the kid's lawyer is just gearing up for a court date. The article does not tell us any of the current case status which is about what you'd expect because it is written as clickbait for a content farm. It isn't journalism; its success as a piece of writing is directly proportional to the number of clicks it generates.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   17:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: nolu chan (#35) (Edited)

“I punched Wallace approximately three times in the face in order to get him off me and to back him up. …”

You're delusional if you believe that statement after you've seen the video.

This is why the local top cop won't back up his officer. And they never make such statements if they are backing the officer. Their lawyers would warn them not to compromise the PD's legal position by handing such legal ammo in admissible official statements.

Oh, please. And Fresno police conducted a probation search for domestic violence.

I didn't see domestic violence. I saw police violence against a kid with no criminal record who barely opened his mouth at all before he got punched multiple times, very violently. Apparently you saw something different there. Was the big burly cop actually that frightened of the teenager that weighed half as much as him and who wasn't trained in physical violence? Is this just another outbreak of FraidyCops who use "officer safety" as a get-out-of-jail-free card when they exceed any reasonable level of judgment. To be honest, the officer looks like he's melting down in a 'roid rage. There's something downright psychotic about the way he goes after the victim.

Just how long should the officer debate with the yute about the yute sitting down???

I dunno. If a cop stops you for speeding and asks for your documents and you are in a hurry and trying to talk him out of it for just 5 seconds, is that cop legally entitled to start punching you hard in the face to force your compliance? You wouldn't object to taking three hard punches from a burly officer if you tried to "resist" for 5 seconds, would you?

I think you wouldn't like that. I think a jury won't either. Except they are going to settle this before a jury does in a civil suit.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   17:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Tooconservative (#38)

[Fresno Bee] “I punched Wallace approximately three times in the face in order to get him off me and to back him up. …”

You're delusional if you believe that statement after you've seen the video.

I will alert the Fresno Bee that you believe their reporter is delusional.

This is why the local top cop won't back up his officer. And they never make such statements if they are backing the officer. Their lawyers would warn them not to compromise the PD's legal position by handing such legal ammo in admissible official statements.

Better have more legal ammo than that someone found the video disturbing or that it certainly raises concerns, without saying anything specific. That's like a politician who admits to having made mistakes but does not say what the mistakes were.

Oh, please. And Fresno police conducted a probation search for domestic violence.

I didn't see domestic violence.

So? The video is 57 seconds long. The incident coverage is about 10 seconds long. The edited footage was selected and released by the attorney for London Wallace. There is lots more footage from the 40 cameras that were present.

Wallace's attorney, Nolan Kane said it was a domestic violence probation search.

Kane said Wallace, 17, and several others were attending a birthday party at the complex when Fresno police conducted a probation search for domestic violence.

Do you have some point other than that the 10 second clip did not show one of Wallace's "classmates" beating up his bitch?

I saw police violence against a kid with no criminal record who barely opened his mouth at all before he got punched multiple times, very violently.

I see a bunch of people who had time to obey the officer order to get on the floor, and one numbnuts in an aggressive posture being an asshole.

Apparently you saw something different there.

I saw a video which starts about a second or so before some numbnuts get smacked in the face. The video indicates rest of the group that can be seen are on the floor, having obeyed the command to get there. Only numbnuts was too stupid to comply.

Was the big burly cop actually that frightened of the teenager that weighed half as much as him and who wasn't trained in physical violence?

We much be watching different videos. I did not see a big burly cop cowering in fear because he was frightened of the teenage numbnuts. Either that or you have a strange conception of perceived fright.

Is this just another outbreak of FraidyCops who use "officer safety" as a get-out-of-jail-free card when they exceed any reasonable level of judgment.

No. The big burly cop smashed him in the mouth until he got on the floor. Then the teen who you observed inspiring fright, proceeded to cry.

To be honest, the officer looks like he's melting down in a 'roid rage. There's something downright psychotic about the way he goes after the victim.

To be honest, the cops were in a place with gang members, convicted criminals on probation, and guns. There was something downright lunatic about the way numbnuts got in the cop's face. He almost appeared to want suicide by cop.

Just how long should the officer debate with the yute about the yute sitting down???

I dunno.

I know everyone else in the video figured it out faster than numbnuts. And you are still working on it.

If a cop stops you for speeding and asks for your documents and you are in a hurry and trying to talk him out of it for just 5 seconds, is that cop legally entitled to start punching you hard in the face to force your compliance?

If the cop was serving a probation warrant for an apartment with gang members, convicted criminals on probation, and guns, and you hallucinate that he was giving a speeding ticket, it does not change the reality. His use of force was, in fact, found not to be unreasonable.

You wouldn't object to taking three hard punches from a burly officer if you tried to "resist" for 5 seconds, would you?

If I was ever stupid enough to do what numbnuts did, my daddy, Sheriff Buford T. Justice would loudly proclaim that I could not have sprung from his loins.

Being a victim of one's own stupidity is no justification to seek reparations.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-24   19:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Tooconservative (#38)

I saw police violence against a kid with no criminal record

You're saying the cop knew that?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-24   20:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: nolu chan (#39)

To be honest, the cops were in a place with gang members, convicted criminals on probation, and guns. There was something downright lunatic about the way numbnuts got in the cop's face. He almost appeared to want suicide by cop.

That's what I saw on the video.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-24   20:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: nolu chan (#39)

To be honest, the cops were in a place with gang members, convicted criminals on probation, and guns. There was something downright lunatic about the way numbnuts got in the cop's face. He almost appeared to want suicide by cop.

He had already been searched and was clearly no match physically for any of the cops on the scene.

Look, this is fruitless. We're at the point where everyone has staked out a position. Yours seems insane and your points are little more than contrarianism.

Let's just wait to see whether there is a settlement after a civil case is filed.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   21:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: nolu chan (#36)

Very clever. I liked it. Here's the bar scene from Inglorious Basterds. The German SS officer is real. The rest of the table are American and British spies.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-24   21:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: misterwhite (#40)

You're saying the cop knew that?

And you're saying he didn't. So what?

A high school kid with no record and a baby face who is unarmed and already submitted to a search and has been recorded on video by police (making escape unlikely to be anything other than a basis for serious charges) is not likely to be the gangbangers that the cops were raiding the joint to find.

But believe what you want. Like I care that deeply which brutal cop you want to suckle next. You've always got a new one to admire, it seems. And you're such a Johnny-one-note on this topic that no one expects any kind of balance at all from you.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   21:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Tooconservative (#44)

A high school kid with no record and a baby face ...

Awwww. A baby face like this one?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-24   21:26:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: misterwhite (#45)

I think this guy is more your speed.

I'm always amused that so few people know who he is. He is the prototype.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   21:33:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Tooconservative (#46)

I'm always amused that so few people know who he is.

I'm amused YOU know who he is. Geez Louise, nobody would know who he is other than psychos obsessed with murdering sodomizers.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-24   22:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: misterwhite (#47)

He is the unknown prototype for all of America's worst serial killers.

Everyone knows Hannibal Lecter, the fictional cannibal. But no one knows the guy who was much worse, Carl Panzram. Panzram had an interesting life story. There's a good documentary about him that I saw once. Very inspiring with a great message for the young people.

But, yes, the biggest serial killer fans do all know who he is. For the rest of you, it seems you're more interested in Hollyweird's strange notions about serial killers.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   22:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: misterwhite (#43)

Here's the bar scene from Inglorious Basterds. The German SS officer is real. The rest of the table are American and British spies.

I just finished watching Inglorious Basterds on Netflix. That was a pretty good flic.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-24   23:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Tooconservative (#42)

He had already been searched and was clearly no match physically for any of the cops on the scene.

Why, earlier today at #38, you posted,

Was the big burly cop actually that frightened of the teenager that weighed half as much as him and who wasn't trained in physical violence? Is this just another outbreak of FraidyCops who use "officer safety" as a get-out-of-jail-free card when they exceed any reasonable level of judgment.

Now you've gone from having the big burly cop cowering in fear, an outbreak of FraidyCops, to the misunderstood yute visiting his classmates clearly being no match physically for any of the cops on the scene. And you seem to know the physical ability of all the cops who were on scene from just 10 seconds of video, perhaps because they repeated it over and over.

Look, this is fruitless. We're at the point where everyone has staked out a position. Yours seems insane and your points are little more than contrarianism.

Let's just wait to see whether there is a settlement after a civil case is filed.

I have found a report that satisfied my other curiosity about whether anyone at the party was arrested. As Sarah would say, you betcha. Three of young Wallace's "classmates" were arrested for parole violations. I'll bet young Wallace was there trying to reform them. And as young Wallace was so young, I'll bet they only served soft drinks at the party.

If my position seems insane, your seems ill informed.

Earlier, at #35, I had to inform you that Wallace was unarmed, not disarmed; and that we do know he was attending a party, and not a resident of the apartment. And now you are waiting for a civil case to be filed. It was filed in the Fresno Superior Court. There were tapes from at least 40 body cameras. Tens seconds selected from one of at least forty bodycam videos was leaked to the press. It would appear that discovery has commenced and the leaking has begun. The only reason it is in the news now is that ten seconds of video was leaked from one of at least 40 bodycam videos.

Trying a case in the press, instead of in court, using a very selective ten seconds of video, is not a show of strength.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-24   23:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: nolu chan (#50) (Edited)

Trying a case in the press, instead of in court, using a very selective ten seconds of video, is not a show of strength.
To form a firm conclusion after viewing a very selective ten seconds of video Is not a good display of rational thinking as a process.

Proper conclusive observations demand a widespread qualitative improvement in the thought process to develop a better understanding.

Continue to be critical of those who jump too quickly to a conclusion and spontaneously decide that something is right or wrong, when they don’t know all the facts.

Good job …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   3:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: nolu chan, GrandIsland, Deckard (#50)

Now you've gone from having the big burly cop cowering in fear, an outbreak of FraidyCops, to the misunderstood yute visiting his classmates clearly being no match physically for any of the cops on the scene. And you seem to know the physical ability of all the cops who were on scene from just 10 seconds of video, perhaps because they repeated it over and over.

I saw three big cops, all around 200lbs, all three showing physical confidence in their ability to handle the yout's present. Two of them searched the yout' and directed him to sit down. The first two cops were just doing routine processing and were briskly professional but not rough, just doing their job processing a group of detainees; clearly they didn't think this kid was a threat when they turned their backs on him to move on to process some other yout'. The yout' took a step forward and was moving a little to the right to try to sit down but apparently there wasn't enough room for him to sit where he was wanted to sit down and as he turned to move left to find room to sit down, the third cop came shoving his way through suddenly, grabbed the kid, and the yout' said something - like one or two syllables judging by his jaw movement - and the cop hauled off and punched him multiple times.

Maybe you should take the time to download the video if you know how and just step through it frame by frame. Maybe you'll see it correctly.

I saw two professional cops searching suspects and seating them in a routine search operation. Then I saw a third cop come busting over like he didn't have anything better to do - like doing his part on the team to search the other yout's - and chose to bust the hell out of a detainee but only after he had seen that the kid was unarmed.

Yeah, I do think it is worth discussing whether he's a FraidyCop and a badged bully who only has the courage to start beating a compliant unarmed young suspect once he knew the kid had no knives or gun on him.

Maybe GrandIsland would like to review for us how he would evaluate the conduct of the three officers. I know what I saw: two pros calmly processing a pool of detainees and one FraidyCop bully busting a kid's face up but only after he knew he was harmless and compliant. Such a brave cop, a real fuckin' hero.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   8:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#51)

To form a firm conclusion after viewing a very selective ten seconds of video Is not a good display of rational thinking as a process.

Courts reach factual determinations on considerably less. And, given that the video is the most neutral witness to events in general, what would you prefer to use as a basis for determining the lawfulness of these events?

How exactly are you claiming the footage was "selective"? Are you saying the local TV station edited it to make the cop look bad? And thus the local PD chief just went along with that? If the local TV station edited their footage, you don't think the local PD chief would have said, "You know, that video you all saw was edited to make our cops look bad deliberately!" No PD chief is going to stand there like an idiot while some sleazy local station puts out doctored video and libels the cops under the command of that chief. If he did let his cops be framed like that, he should be fired. And so should the city's lawyers.

Proper conclusive observations demand a widespread qualitative improvement in the thought process to develop a better understanding.

I know you think you're saying something profound but this is just babble.

Continue to be critical of those who jump too quickly to a conclusion and spontaneously decide that something is right or wrong, when they don’t know all the facts.

LOL. You've already patted nolu's head and said "Good boy" a few times, you don't have to scratch his belly and rub behind his ears too.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   9:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tooconservative (#53)

Ok I guess I'll watch the video.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   9:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Tooconservative (#53)

The cop looks like he is abusing the man. But I don't know what transpired before hand. So I have no side. May justice and truth prevail.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   9:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Tooconservative (#53)

How exactly are you claiming the footage was "selective"?

Well, let's say 40 police body cams recording for, what, 15 minutes? That's 600 minutes or 36,000 seconds. Out of that amount of total footage of the encounter, 10 seconds was chosen to be aired.

Yeah. I'd call that "selective"

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-25   9:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: misterwhite (#56)

Well, let's say 40 police body cams recording for, what, 15 minutes? That's 600 minutes or 36,000 seconds. Out of that amount of total footage of the encounter, 10 seconds was chosen to be aired.

So you're saying the poor helpless idiot police have dozens of body cams that tell a different story and they are willing to sit there, munching their donuts, and watch their police chief allow them to be libeled to the public with a single piece of footage that makes one cop look bad?

You know, you can do more than just the shaft, there's the sack too. I'm disappointed at your lack of diligence.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   10:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Tooconservative (#48)

There's a good documentary about him that I saw once. Very inspiring with a great message for the young people.

Inspiring? Great message? Young people should watch a documentary about a serial murderer, rapist and sodomizer?

When I was a kid, I was inspired by the movie "The Spirit of St. Louis". My, how things change. And people wonder why there are so many mass shootings.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-25   10:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#55)

The cop looks like he is abusing the man. But I don't know what transpired before hand.

Does it matter what transpired beforehand? If the suspect is unarmed and compliant with lawful police orders, it doesn't really matter.

If, OTOH, the yout' had resisted arrest by assaulting an officer (shoving him, hitting him, kneeing him in the groin, kicking him, spitting at him), then the yout' would already be in handcuffs and one or more cops would have their hands on him, ready to haul him out. If the yout' had assaulted the cops or resisted, they wouldn't just tell him to sit down and then turn their backs on him to continue processing other detainees. No, they would have arrested him and cuffed him at the very least.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   10:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Tooconservative (#57)

The police didn't choose the footage to be aired. Are you saying you want them to?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-25   10:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: misterwhite (#58)

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   10:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Tooconservative (#59)

Does it matter what transpired beforehand? If the suspect is unarmed and compliant with lawful police orders, it doesn't really matter.

It does matter. The cop took him down in about 10 seconds. Maybe he had to do it that way because the guy was violont before.

I don't know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   10:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: misterwhite (#60)

The police didn't choose the footage to be aired. Are you saying you want them to?

They didn't choose the footage that the TV station aired. But if they wanted to they could put out more video that tells more of the story if they wanted to.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   10:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Tooconservative (#59)

Does it matter what transpired beforehand?

Not to the press. Not to liberals. Not to those who are anti-cop.

Remember the Rodney King video? The whole world saw the cops beating on him. The jury, however, saw the complete video -- including what "transpired beforehand" and acquitted the cops.

So, yeah, it matters.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-25   10:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: misterwhite (#64)

Rodney Kings beating was 100 percent wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   10:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#63)

But if they wanted to they could put out more video that tells more of the story if they wanted to.

They can't. There's an "ongoing investigation". And that's what so frustrating in all these cases.

By the time their side of the story comes out, the narrative is already locked in place. Mr. "Hands up don't shoot" is one example. Rodney King.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-25   10:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone (#65)

Rodney Kings beating was 100 percent wrong.

You're entitled to your opinion, but the jury thought otherwise.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-25   10:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: misterwhite (#66)

They can't. There's an "ongoing investigation"

Ongoing investigation is a talking point and is bullshit. It is what they say when they just don't want to talk. Police release bodycam footage all the time. How do you think the media got those pics.

So under investigation is a bullshit excuse.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   10:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#68)

How do you think the media got those pics.

I'm guessing they were leaked?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-25   11:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: misterwhite (#58)

Inspiring? Great message? Young people should watch a documentary about a serial murderer, rapist and sodomizer?

I was being sarcastic. But only a little. In fact, Panzram is a case still closely studied and it has had a major influence on police procedure, prison reform, and on psychology in general. Panzram is a seminal case in early criminal justice studies a century ago, when the field was establishing itself, around the same time that the FBI was formed under Hoover (following the Taylor raids).

Maybe GI has heard of Panzram. I get the impression that GI took a professional interest in the broad field of criminal justice.

And, yes, Panzram should be remembered and studied. There are things you can learn from him. Some serial killers are created, not born. Panzram's career sparked the debate over whether serial killers and other criminals are the result of nature or nurture or combinations of both. The experts still argue it but Panzram was the killer that first started that debate.

Panzram was hanged on September 5, 1930. As officers attempted to place a black hood over his head, he allegedly spat in the executioner's face.[35] When asked for any last words, he responded, "Yes, hurry it up, you Hoosier bastard! I could kill a dozen men while you're screwing around!" His grave, at the Leavenworth Penitentiary Cemetery, is marked only with his prison number, 31614.

If I ever happened to be in Leavenworth and had a few hours to spare, I'd go decorate his grave, maybe with wildflowers. I think I would. I have a buddy that was in Leavenworth about 15 years ago due to his disagreement with his superiors about whether a soldier was allowed to punch a superior instead of saluting him. I'll have to ask him about the prison cemetery and whether the inmates knew who Panzram was and what he did.

In my lifetime I have murdered 21 human beings, I have committed thousands of burglaries, robberies, larcenies, arsons and, last but not least, I have committed sodomy on more than 1,000 male human beings. For all these things I am not in the least bit sorry.

Carl Panzram, 1930
Death row
Leavenworth

Upon arriving at Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary Inmate #31614, he warned the warden, "I'll kill the first man that bothers me", and was given a solitary job in the prison laundry room. On June 20, 1929, he beat the prison laundry foreman Robert Warnke to death with an iron bar, and was sentenced to death. He refused to allow any appeals of his sentence. In response to offers from death penalty opponents and human rights activists to intervene, he wrote, "The only thanks you and your kind will ever get from me for your efforts on my behalf is that I wish you all had one neck and that I had my hands on it."

Panzram's life story would make a great comedic movie though, as long as you could get Quentin Tarantino to direct it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   12:20:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: A K A Stone (#61) (Edited)

The Spirit Of St. Louis (1957)

Comedian Bill Burr discusses the documentary, Carl Panzram: The Spirit Of Hatred And Vengeance.

Bill offers a lighthearted take on Carl's life.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   12:27:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#64)

Remember the Rodney King video? The whole world saw the cops beating on him. The jury, however, saw the complete video -- including what "transpired beforehand" and acquitted the cops.

After they moved the trial to Simi Valley, perhaps the best way to get a law-and-order conviction in Cali. A lawyerly tactic comparable to a defense attorney moving an infamous trial in New York to Albany instead of holding it in NYC. That also works pretty often.

Rodney King wasn't so innocent, not at all. I think he didn't deserve a beating like that for what he was doing at the time. It was excessive force but it's an open question whether the cops behaved criminally that can be argued either way. Perhaps the most important thing was how it looked on video to the public.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   12:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#62)

It does matter. The cop took him down in about 10 seconds. Maybe he had to do it that way because the guy was violont before.

Don't you think they would have mentioned if the yout' had been arrested for assaulting an officer? If he had assaulted an officer, wouldn't he have been in cuffs instead of the two cops who searched him telling him to sit down and turning their backs on him to continue processing other detainees?

This is not a complex video. Nor are the other reported events in the story.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   14:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Deckard, misterwhite, Gatlin, GrandIsland, A K A Stone, nolu chan (#0)

Fresh reporting on the story.

NYSlimes: Teenager Who Was Punched Repeatedly by Fresno Officer Sues Police Dept., 8/22/19

A teenager who was repeatedly punched by a police officer in Fresno, Calif., during what police reports called a “gang related” operation that was recorded on body cameras has sued the Fresno Police Department, claiming excessive force.

The 17-year-old, London Wallace, was inside an apartment building on Jan. 23 at a relative’s birthday party when a group of officers conducting a probation search arrived, according to the lawsuit, filed last month in Superior Court of California.

Nolan Kane, Mr. Wallace’s lawyer, said in an interview on Thursday that he had released some of the footage from the officers’ body cameras this week at the request of local news outlets. The footage, published on Wednesday, starts with two officers holding Mr. Wallace’s arms bent over his head and pinning his hands behind his neck, while one of them pats him down. He had been removed from the apartment, where Mr. Kane said Mr. Wallace had been playing video games with a younger relative, and was searched without a warrant, the lawsuit alleges.

The two officers release him and gesture for him to sit on the floor on the landing outside of the apartment, the footage shows. As Mr. Wallace turns, another officer steps forward and grabs him, pushing him to the wall and throwing several punches.

“Put your hands behind your back,” someone can be heard shouting repeatedly.

Mr. Wallace is pushed to the ground and two officers pile on top of him to handcuff him, the footage shows. The officers make him sit up and lean against the railing, and there is blood on Mr. Wallace’s face. The lawsuit said his nose was broken and he had other injuries.

Mr. Wallace, who the lawsuit said had been unarmed and had possessed no illegal substances, was arrested on charges of resisting arrest, which were later dropped, Mr. Kane said. He is also seeking damages for negligence and emotional distress, the suit said.

Video footage from the body cameras is being used in an internal investigation of Officer Martinez, who has been placed on modified duty, the police chief, Jerry Dyer, said on Wednesday in a news conference.

“The video that I have reviewed certainly raises concerns,” the chief said.

Calls to the department and to the city of Fresno, both named as defendants in the lawsuit, were not returned on Thursday. The lawsuit also names as defendants Officer Christopher Martinez and “Does 1-25.”

In a report Officer Martinez wrote on the event, which he described as “gang related,” he said that he had “grabbed” Mr. Wallace because it looked like he was not listening to orders to sit down. He wrote that Mr. Wallace took a “fighting stance,” and he feared the teenager was going to push officers over the railing.

“I punched Wallace approximately three times in the face in order to get him off me and to back him up,” Officer Martinez wrote. He said Mr. Wallace continued to resist, so he “struck” him “approximately two more times” when he was on the ground.

Another officer, R. Loza, wrote in his report that he had used his “forearm to strike” Mr. Wallace twice while trying to get control during the struggle.

Chief Dyer said at the news conference that further “appropriate action” could be taken depending on the results of the investigation, which will be based on interviews and more scrutiny of the videos.

“We do know that a struggle ensued,” Chief Dyer said. “We also know that the officer swung his fist at the individual several times.”

It was “difficult” to see how many blows made contact, he said. “But we do know that he was struck at least once with one of those blows,” he said, referring to Mr. Wallace.

The case and the release of the footage have heightened tensions in Fresno, a city of about half a million people in central California. The lawsuit alleges that the defendants’ actions were “consistent” with the department’s “culture of deliberate indifference to the use of excessive force” in encounters with civilians.

Chief Dyer said he was aware that many people had concerns about what they had seen in the video, “and understandably so.”

“I am asking that people reserve final judgment until the entire investigation is complete,” he said.

It's in the Slimes. They're gonna settle so fast that nolu's head will spin.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   14:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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