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Title: ‘MAGA’ Model Katie Williams Stripped of Miss Nevada 2019 Crown for ‘Being a Conservative’
Source: Gov't Slaves
URL Source: https://governmentslaves.news/2019/ ... rown-for-being-a-conservative/
Published: Aug 21, 2019
Author: RUSSIAN TROLL
Post Date: 2019-08-23 16:58:52 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 510
Comments: 92

According to the dethroned beauty queen, the organisers told her to run separate social media accounts – one where she could voice her opinions and an ‘apolitical’ one for the contest. However, despite creating a second Facebook account, she kept getting complaints about her pro-Trump messages and criticism of the group Antifa on her personal page.

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Miss Nevada State 2019 winner Katie Williams has had her title revoked by the Miss America pageant organisers, and believes she lost her throne due to her conservative political views.

Katie Jo Williams, a member of the US Army National Guards and a combat veteran, learned on 18 August that she’d lost the title and been banned from competing in the upcoming Miss America contest.

In a statement posted on Instagram, she said the pageant coordinators told her via emails that she was “too political” to be involved, and that the only way to stay in the contest was to delete political posts from her Facebook page.

However, she added, the organisers failed to address her requests to clarify what content they found to be in breach of their ‘No Politics’ rules.

Williams has created a separate Facebook page for the pageant, devoid of political statements, but she claimed that the organisers continued to voice their disapproval in personal communications of what she was posting on her personal account.

These posts, in her words, included a picture of herself wearing a red ‘Trump 2020’ hat as well as expressions of support for the United States and criticism of the leftist political organisation antifa.

Williams had regularly received calls from the pageant director, Susan Jeske, but insisted that she would only communicate via email for the sake of her own safety.

“I stopped taking your calls because every time you were on the phone with me you told me you agreed with my political opinions and then in writing would softly scold me for them,” she said in a letter to Jeske, according to screenshots she shared on Twitter.

Williams has also published alleged screenshots of online exchanges with Jeske, which appear to show that the pageant director encouraged her to take pictures with President Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., while wearing the Miss Nevada sash and crown. (1 image)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Ms. Nevada Katie Williams says she was stripped of here crown because of her conservative political beliefs. "I just don't understand how you can censor someone with conservative values when I'm not even really saying anything that's bad," Williams said.

It is simple and should be easily understood.

The pageant has a statement posted on its website that the pageant is a "No Politics" pageant. Williams signed an agreement to keep her politics separate from her pageant social media page. The pageant statement also says, in part, "Ms. Williams acknowledged both verbally and in writing that she understood these rules before she was accepted into the pageant. The Ms. America Pageant has confirmed that it has removed Williams from their competition.

Williams said she didn’t violate her signed agreement – the pageant said she did. The pageant said that Williams was posting her Trump-related political content to the Ms. Nevada Facebook page which is strictly prohibited.

Result:

Williams 0 - Pageant 1.
Pageant wins.

Adios, Katie …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-23   18:06:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#1) (Edited)

Williams has created a separate Facebook page for the pageant, devoid of political statements, but she claimed that the organisers continued to voice their disapproval in personal communications of what she was posting on her personal account.

Williams has also published alleged screenshots of online exchanges with Jeske, which appear to show that the pageant director encouraged her to take pictures with President Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., while wearing the Miss Nevada sash and crown.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-23   18:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

I don't disagree with the pageant.

I think these kinds of events should be about their stated activities, not let anyone decide they want to create a platform for their own politics. For that matter, I'd like to see Hollyweird, the music industry, sports use that same standard. People don't want to see politics and don't want to know the politics of competitors. They just want their movies, music and sports. Not more politics being injected to absolutely everything in public life.

It surprises me that people don't see this. Americans kinda hate politics and they rarely choose to have more of it mixed in with their entertainment.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   1:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#2) (Edited)

Williams claimed -

… that the organisers continued to voice their disapproval in personal communications of what she was posting on her personal account.

The pageant said -

… that Williams was posting her Trump-related political content to the Ms. Nevada Facebook page which is strictly prohibited.

Score:

Williams 0 – Pageant 1.
Williams has also …
… published alleged screenshots of online exchanges with Jeske, which appear to show that the pageant director encouraged her to take pictures with President Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., while wearing the Miss Nevada sash and crown.

Uh, did you per chance catch the key words “alleged” and “appear?” With that aside, she was not prohibited from taking pictures with anyone while wearing the Miss Nevada sash and crown to be used to promote the pageant.

“No Harm – No Foul.”
Williams was prohibited from posting her Trump-related political content to the Ms. Nevada Facebook page and she posted her Trump-related political content to the Ms. Nevada Facebook page. When there is a foul committed by breaking a rule there can be an ejection.
“Williams broke a rule – The pageant ejected her.”
With the score of Williams=0 and the Pageant=1, her “game” association with the pageant “was called” because of “player disqualification.”

You seem to have many problems, Deckard. A reading assignment for you that should be of great benefit to help with one of those problems: Lesson Two - Accepting Authority.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   3:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#3) (Edited)

I don't disagree with the pageant.

Normally I would agree with you.

I think these kinds of events should be about their stated activities, not let anyone decide they want to create a platform for their own politics.

Apparently she was told to run separate social media accounts – one where she could voice her opinions and an ‘apolitical’ one for the contest.

It appears that is exactly what she did.

In addition, it appears she may have been tricked or duped by the pageant director who she claims "encouraged her to take pictures with President Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., while wearing the Miss Nevada sash and crown. "

If that is indeed true, and she claims to have screenshots of those communications, seems pretty clear that this is a set-up from the start.

I'm not a huge fan of Trump, but Miss Williams should not be punished for supporting him on her personal facebook account.

It's not as if she wore a MAGA hat during the swimsuit competition or praised Trump in her acceptance speech.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-24   7:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5) (Edited)

Apparently she was told to run separate social media accounts – one where she could voice her opinions and an ‘apolitical’ one for the contest.

It appears that is exactly what she did.

In addition, it appears she may have been tricked or duped by the pageant director who she claims "encouraged her to take pictures with President Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., while wearing the Miss Nevada sash and crown. "

If that is indeed true, and she claims to have screenshots of those communications, seems pretty clear that this is a set-up from the start.

Deckard, listen to me – Listen to me, Deckard.

STOP AND LISTEN VERY INTENLY TO ME …

There, now – Start to read very carefully:

Williams signed an agreement to keep her politics separate from her pageant social media page. The pageant said that Ms. Williams acknowledged both verbally and in writing that she understood these rules before she was accepted into the pageant. The pageant also said that Williams was posting her Trump-related political content to the Ms. Nevada Facebook page which is strictly prohibited.

DO YOU CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT?

If what the pageant stated were not true, then Williams could sue the hell out of them, be reinstated and take home a “boat-load of money”.

In the situation here – as it is many times with you – It is pure and simple that:

Effective communication is a two-way street. When someone is telling another person something and the other person is not paying attention because they are of the type who is going to think “fuck the rules” and “fuck authority” – and then damned well do what they want to do anyway, communication will be ineffective. There are people this way, Deckard, you are one of those people. “Listening” is very simple – however it takes skill and practice in order to perfect it. There is hope for you to learn. Start now …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   8:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#6)

Williams signed an agreement to keep her politics separate from her pageant social media page. The pageant said that Ms. Williams acknowledged both verbally and in writing that she understood these rules before she was accepted into the pageant

According to the dethroned beauty queen, the organisers told her to run separate social media accounts – one where she could voice her opinions and an ‘apolitical’ one for the contest.

However, despite creating a second Facebook account, she kept getting complaints about her pro-Trump messages and criticism of the group Antifa on her personal page.

The pageant also said that Williams was posting her Trump-related political content to the Ms. Nevada Facebook page which is strictly prohibited.

Proof? Other than the claim made by the "voice of authority"?

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-24   8:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#3)

You're wrong you should be a ableto have a personal life too. Nothing she did was wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-24   8:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#7)

Proof? Other than the claim made by the "voice of authority"? Proof? Other than an unsupported allegation by a dethroned beauty queen,

It is Williams made the charge – Ergo, it is Williams who must provide the proof.

The burden of proof is always on the person who brings a claim.

Right, libertarian …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   9:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#8) (Edited)

You're wrong you should be a able to have a personal life too.

Does “having a personal life” mean having the right to unilaterally breech a written agreement [contract] and break the terms set forth in such agreement?

Nothing she did was wrong.

How do you figure that when it is reported that Williams signed a ”legally binding written agreement” to keep her politics separate from her pageant social media page”.

It is also reported that the pageant said that Ms. Williams acknowledged both verbally and in writing that she understood these rules before she was accepted into the pageant.

It is further reported that the pageant stated that Williams was posting her Trump-related political content to the Ms. Nevada Facebook page which is strictly prohibited.

A legally binding written agreement is an agreement which is valid and therefore enforceable. It means that the parties who have signed the agreement are expected to fulfil their obligations under the agreement. If they do not, they may be penalised. Although agreements do not have to be written to be legally binding, it is a good idea to have a written record of what you have agreed to. This minimises the risk of a dispute by ensuring you and the other party are on the same page. This article explains the requirements you need to satisfy to have a legally binding written agreement.

Continued HERE.

I ask you ever so kindly to please explain to me how you figure: “nothing she did was wrong.” I am sincerely interested in your rational.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   9:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#10)

There is no breach of the contract. Show me the part of the contract she broke. You can't it's you speculating what the contract says.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-24   9:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin, Tooconservative (#11) (Edited)

There is no breach of the contract.

She used her personal facebook account to make political comments

Story and FOX News report HERE

"Williams claims that she did create a separate social media account, but alleges an official "continued to screenshot my page, my personal page, and email me about how she was disappointed and she didn’t agree with it and that I needed to speak with her on the phone."

According to Ms. America CEO Susan Jeske, Williams continued to make mentions of the Ms. America competition on her personal page.

"If you're putting pageant stuff on your personal page, then that's a pageant page," Jeske told NBC.

Noah Jennings, Williams' spokesman, told Newsweek that Jeske was allegedly sending "mixed signals” to his client.

“Ms. America CEO Susan Jeske, who would encourage Katie over the phone, and then follow that up with emails and screenshots of things she took issue with,” Jennings said. “Katie separated pages, combed through to remove posts, and overall made every effort to comply with the requests of the pageant.”

Williams, who did not immediately respond to Yahoo Lifestyle’s requests for comment, told Newsweek:

"I was censored for my beliefs. I was excited to compete in this pageant — everything was ready to go for this weekend — and so to have that opportunity taken away from me so quickly feels like a slap in the face. The entire reason I participated in pageants in the first place was to provide young women like my daughter with a strong role model to look up to."

Williams was deployed with the Army National Guard to Afghanistan in 2008-09 and is currently a fitness instructor.

***

I believe the obfuscation was done deliberately by the pageant director to insure that Miss Williams' title would be revoked when she won.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-24   10:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)

There is no breach of the contract.
There is a breach of a written agreement [contract].
Show me the part of the contract she broke.
Read: [The written] AGREEMENT [that is] HAND SIGNED BY KATIE WILLIAMS.
You can't it's you speculating what the contract says.
I was not speculating.
[To TC earlier] - You're wrong you should be a able to have a personal life too.
I politely and kindly ask you once again:
Does “having a personal life” mean having the right to unilaterally breech a written agreement [contract] and break the terms set forth in such agreement?

I will be off forum for a couple of hours – I will read you reply later.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   10:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#12)

She used her personal facebook account to make political comments
Yes she did.

“However, the Ms. Nevada Facebook Page should be devoid of political content” – It was NOT.

In a statement, the Ms. America Pageant said Williams is “distorting the facts” about her disqualification.

“All the pageant asked of Ms. Williams, in writing, is to keep separate social media accounts. (ie: Facebook) One is for politics where she can voice her own opinion as Katie Williams and the other is a new Facebook page for the pageant representing Ms. Nevada State 2019,” the statement reads.

“She could be a President Trump supporter on her Personal Facebook page all she wants for everyone to read. However, the Ms. Nevada Facebook Page should be devoid of political content,” it adds. The pageant said it gave Williams a deadline to edit her pages, but that she refused — proving she is “no longer capable of representing this pageant as Ms. Nevada.”

https://nypost.com/2019/08/22/ms-nevada-i-was- stripped-of-beauty-crown-because-i-support-trump/.

Boy, she damned well showed the pageant she can do what she wants to – didn’t she? [/s].

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   10:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone, Deckard, Gatlin, nolu chan (#8)

You're wrong you should be a ableto have a personal life too. Nothing she did was wrong.

Certainly, she is entitled to her private life. But she put this on her page(s) as a designated competitor who, in some sense, represents the pageant and its rules of decorum and inclusiveness.

However, she undertook certain obligations as a Miss Nevada and as a designated competitor for the national beauty pageant.

And that is the standard by which it must be judged.

If she wants to be in their pageant under contract as an official Miss Nevada and competing for the national title, then she is obligated to fulfill the rules as the pageant dictates. In competing for the state title and for the national title, there are certain requirements to observe. There can't be any lurid scandal associated with the contestant. There has to be a very direct standard for what the eventual winner will do or not do as the title holder. Even if she won the national title, she would have even more obligations to obey the petty dictates of the pageant committee. As she ascended in the beauty pageant contests, her responsibility to obey the committee in all publicity matters only increases until the day she is no longer a state contestant or until the day after she is no longer the national title holder.

She has no recourse to legal action because it's ridiculous to think any state contestant can actually sue their way into winning the national title. And if she can't win the national title, then why even compete since she already has the Miss Nevada title?

She may as well sell out and pose for a girlie mag to pay off college debts and call it a day.

Her only recourse would be if other contestants were using their social media pages as homage to 0bama or Hitlery or one of the current Dem prez candidates. If the pageant took action against only one contestant and not against others doing the same thing, then there might be a (remote) chance of legal action. As long as the rules are applied uniformly, she doesn't have a legal pot to piss in. Even so, the courts are likely to be reluctant to involve themselves in something as subjective as a beauty pageant.

Would you be as willing to demand freedom of speech for a contestant who was carrying water for 0bama or Hitlery or Biden or Warren or some political cause like abortion that you really hate? I think not.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   11:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#15)

Would you be as willing to demand freedom of speech for a contestant who was carrying water for 0bama or Hitlery or Biden or Warren or some political cause like abortion that you really hate?

I'm not a huge fan of Trump as you may know, nor am I a fan of any of the Dems you mentioned, but this just stinks.

None of those contestants would have been stripped of the title had they won.

The would have been praised and exalted, by the pageant and the medi..

Double standard.

I still contend that she did everything possible to abide by the rules, but the pageant director kept moving the goalposts specifically for her.

"Katie separated pages, combed through to remove posts, and overall made every effort to comply with the requests of the pageant.”

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-24   11:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#16) (Edited)

None of those contestants would have been stripped of the title had they won.

They've stripped others of their titles before. Quite a few times actually.

If you are in their pageant and you have signed their contract, you'd better obey their rules. They have all the power and you should know it by the time you have won a state pageant and sign up for the national pageant by signing the contracts.

Their pageant, their rules. Just as the contract says pretty plainly.

Double standard.

You keep saying this or implying it but I have yet to see you provide any proof that other state title holders are doing the same thing on their pages. If it is true, provide some evidence.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   11:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)

If you are in their pageant and you have signed their contract, you'd better obey their rules.

I do believe she followed their rules - it seems clear to me that this was a set-up all along.

You keep saying this or implying it but I have yet to see you provide any proof that other state title holders are doing the same thing on their pages.

It would be naive to think that they didn't.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-24   11:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#18) (Edited)

It would be naive to think that they didn't.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's razor

And the pageant may be taking a more anti-politics stance here, given how sick people are of hearing politics in every sphere of life.

I know I don't watch hardly anything any more because I'm so sick of all the politics in everything. Sports, music, movies, TV, and now beauty pageants.

These hirelings need to keep their fucking opinions to themselves. Not a single person in America craves more politics in their entertainment.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   11:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#11)

I’m sorry that it took longer than expected for me to get back to you.

I will continue …

There is no breach of the contract.
Show me the part of the contract she broke.
You can't it's you speculating what the contract says.

I trust the following will address all three of your charges.

Katie Williams is distorting the facts.

ALL the pageant asked of Ms. Williams, in writing, is to keep separate social media accounts. (ie: Facebook) One is for politics where she can voice her own opinion as Katie Williams and the other is a new Facebook page for the pageant representing Ms. Nevada State 2019.

None of this had to do with her personal political views. They are immaterial. She has her Personal Facebook page to voice her political views. She could be a President Trump supporter on her Personal Facebook page all she wants for everyone to read. However, the Ms. Nevada Facebook Page should be devoid of political content.

________________

The Ms. America Pageant is a No Politics pageant. It is in our Rules & Regulations as posted on the pageant website and therefore available to read before applying to the pageant.
(See below)

It is also included in our contracts and requires handwritten initials and signatures acknowledging that you have read and understood the pageants rules.
(See her hand written signature below)

Ms. Williams acknowledged both verbally and in writing that she understood these rules before she was accepted into the pageant. Nothing on her Facebook Page had any political statements at the time she was accepted into the pageant.

The purpose for these Rules and Regulations is that the Ms. America Pageant does not want to be seen as endorsing any political candidate or political cause.

Thru many emails starting in July she claimed she could not comprehend keeping pageant and politics separate on her Facebook pages. The pageant made many attempts to speak to her over the phone to try to resolve this issue. Many times we wrote to her to try to set up an appointment to have a telephone conference, all of which she consistently refuse to do. The pageant believes that a telephone conversation is a reasonable request and was willing to speak to her at any time that was convenient for her schedule.

The pageant gave her a final deadline to edit the Facebook pages which she refused to do. This leads the pageant to believe that she is no longer capable of representing this pageant as Ms. Nevada State 2019, and she is no longer eligible to participate in the 2019 national pageant. Her title has been revoked.

The pageant offered her a full refund on her entry fee and refund on one ticket that she purchased to the pageant after she fulfilled requirements of returning crown and sash and removal of the title Ms. Nevada State 2019 from all social media and the Internet.
(See below disqualifying Email and offering her a full refund)

________________

PAGEANT WEBSITE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS
No Politics

________________

AGREEMENT HAND SIGNED BY KATIE WILLIAMS
4-17-19
Agreeing to the NO Politics Rule

________________

REVOCATION OF TITLE LETTER
Offering her a full refund on her money.
8-18-19

________________

________________

https://msamericapageant.com/page.php?groupingID=miscellaneous16

I have attempted here to show you all the things you asked me to show you.
I believe I have done that.
Is there anything else you need from me?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   17:14:56 ET  (7 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#20)

Is there anything else you need from me?

Yeah, quit being to so long winded. Moreover, what did you do to yukon?

buckeroo  posted on  2019-08-24   17:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#20)

Nice document inclusion. The key phrase that sticks out is the one which declares MAP as the sole arbiter of acceptable conduct and participation and that there is no venue for appeal or for suing the pageant. I think it would be hard to get into court with a civil suit. No judge wants to wade into that by setting aside contractual obligations expressed in straightforward legalese.

If only sports/movies/TV and other venues would embrace the same standard. I'm sick of the politics, especially liberal politics, being injected into everything.

If you want to show your tits and ass in a swimsuit, then just do it. Spare us your political lectures and promotional branding nonsense. After all, we only cared about the tits and ass to begin with.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   17:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#18)

I do believe she [Katie Williams] followed their rules -
What is the basis for you to believe that?

In Post 20 , you will find in a letter from Susan Jeske, CEO Ms. America Pageant, to Katie Jo Williams [dated August 18, 2019] where Susan Jeske enumerated 9 instances in Footnote 2 where Katie Williams violated her signed agreement.

Can you dispute Susan Jeske’s findings or show where Katie Williams did not violate the signed agreement in those instances?

Again I ask, “what is the basis for you to “believe that Katie Williams followed their rules?

it seems clear to me that this was a set-up all along.
What is it that gives you a clear picture that Katie Williams “was set-up all along?”

You said it “would be naïve” to think that “other state title holders didn’t do the same thing on their pages.” It appears that you are just “thinking” that they are – while you have absolutely no proof that they are. When you're thinking something is happening and there is no proof that it is, then you're imagining it. You need to stop conjuring up these wildly strong justifications to substantiate your weak positions.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   19:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Gatlin (#23)

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BorisY  posted on  2019-08-24   20:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: BorisY (#24) (Edited)

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Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   3:09:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tooconservative (#22)

The key phrase that sticks out is the one which declares MAP as the sole arbiter of acceptable conduct and participation and that there is no venue for appeal or for suing the pageant.

Those clauses are illegitimate and you can sue anyway.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   9:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#20)

Point Q renders the contract null and void. It violate her free speech rights.

You cannot be forced to give up a constitutional right in a contract.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   9:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#20)

IF you would like to post about your political positions then create a new FB profile page for pageants only

Oh so you can talk about politics.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   9:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#26) (Edited)

Those [covenants not to sue] clauses are illegitimate and you can sue anyway.
Nope, they are not “illegitimate” – and – Nope, you cannot “sue anyway.”

You are expressing your personal opinion here. In reality you will find that when you try to sue after you have signed a “covenant not to sue” – you will quickly learn that the “suit in law" you desire to have heard in a court of law ”will never go before a court of law.” This is true since “covenants not to sue are used to settle specific legal issues "outside of the court system”.

A covenant ‘not to sue’ legally obliges a party that could initiate a lawsuit not to do so."
"The covenant is made explicitly between two parties, and any third party that wants to make a claim is legally allowed to do so. Covenants not to sue are used to settle specific legal issues outside of the court system. Parties may enter into this type of agreement to prevent a protracted, expensive lawsuit. In exchange for the covenant, the party that could seek damages may be provided with compensation or may be given assurances that the other party in the agreement will conduct a specific action."
Perhaps you will better understand the fallacy of your personal opinion after you read: Covenant Not to Sue Defined.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   11:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#28)

Katie Williams IF you [Katie Williams] would like to post about your political positions then …

Oh so you [Katie Williams] can talk about politics.

Of course, Katie Williams can talk about politics. She was never forbidden to do so. She, however, signed an agreement where she is expressly forbidden to wear her crown and sash when talking politics.

You will see in Post 20, a letter from Susan Jeske, CEO Ms. America Pageant, to Katie Jo Williams [dated August 18, 2019] where Susan Jeske enumerated 9 instances in Footnote 2 where Katie Williams violated her signed agreement.

You can also read where Katie Williams was given ample opportunities to “edit” those posts and she “refused” to do so.

It was never about her not being able to “talk politics” – it was always about her not representing herself as “Ms. Nevada” by wearing the crown and sash while “talking politics” and she violated her sign agreement by doing that on at least 9 occasions.

So, Katie, say “goodbye” to your title …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   11:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Gatlin (#29)

Courts Say Man Can Sue Despite Signing Waiver By Avi Salzman

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/nyregion/courts-say-man-can-sue-despite- signing-waiver.html

You can always sue. You may not win but you can sue. Comprende?

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#30)

However, she added, the organisers failed to address her requests to clarify what content they found to be in breach of their ‘No Politics’ rules.

Williams has created a separate Facebook page for the pageant, devoid of political statements, but she claimed that the organisers continued to voice their disapproval in personal communications of what she was posting on her personal account.

F you would like to post about your political positions then create a new FB profile page for pageants only

She can sue for breach of contract. You can have a political page if it is separate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#30)

You can also read where Katie Williams was given ample opportunities to “edit” those posts and she “refused” to do so.

That's a bald faced lie!

Story and FOX News report HERE

Noah Jennings, Williams' spokesman, told Newsweek that Jeske was allegedly sending "mixed signals” to his client.

“Ms. America CEO Susan Jeske, who would encourage Katie over the phone, and then follow that up with emails and screenshots of things she took issue with,” Jennings said.

“Katie separated pages, combed through to remove posts, and overall made every effort to comply with the requests of the pageant.”

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-25   11:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#30)

What political statements did she make? Can you even name them? I don't think you can.

Canning her is a political statement.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#0)

These posts, in her words, included a picture of herself wearing a red ‘Trump 2020’ hat as well as expressions of support for the United States and criticism of the leftist political organisation antifa.

Saying that you hate Antifa and one of their thugs murdered 9 people in Dayton Ohio and you wish they would rot in hell. If she said something like that. That is not political.

Did any of them say they were queer on their pages? If so that is political and since they were inconsistent breach of contract.

My point is there are tons of ways to sue them. Not that she will or necessarily should. But she sure can.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin (#30)

She can also sue them for slander.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#34)

What political statements did she make?
You obviously have difficulty grasping onto the fact that it was not “what political statements” Katie Williams made – she was not stripped of her title for “making political statements.”

Katie Williams was stripped of her title for representing herself as “Ms. Nevada” by wearing the crown and sash when those political statements were made.

Can you even name them [the political statements]?
I have no need, reason, or desire to do so for it would serve absolutely no purpose here since she was not stripped of her title for making political statements.

Since are apparently are so desirous to see those – then you can look them up yourself. You will find the links in Footnote 2 of the REVOCATION OF TITLE LETTER in Post 20. I trust you will have no difficulty in performing that task.

Canning her is a political statement.
There you go again, stating your personal opinion. Which you are of course entitled to do. However, stating your personal opinion changes nothing and will rectify no “alleged wrongs” since Katie Williams was stripped of her title by a “legal action” because she violated – on at least nine stated occasion – an agreement she had signed.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   12:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)

She can also sue them for slander.

Exactly where did they slander her?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   12:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#32)

She can sue for breach of contract.
How did MAP breach the contract?
You can have a political page if it is separate.
MAP stated that she could and she had one.

But MAP stated that she could not wear the crown and sash in pictures posted on a political page and she did as shown in nine occasions.

She violated here written agreement and she was stripped of her title.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   12:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard (#33)

You can also read where Katie Williams was given ample opportunities to “edit” those posts and she “refused” to do so.

That's a bald faced lie!

Is it now? How did you prove it to be?

Oh wait, - I see now – you used this Story and FOX News report to prove it’s a lie.

Noah Jennings, Williams' spokesman, told ...
That is no proof.

Please now show your factual documentation to prove that Noah Jennings [Williams' spokesman] was telling the truth and that Susan Jeske [“Ms. America CEO] was lying.

Hearsay in news stories will not suffice since they cannot adequately substantiated.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   13:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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