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Title: The CIA’s Influence Over the Media: Use of the Conspiracy Theorist Slur
Source: 911Truth.Org
URL Source: https://911truth.org/conspiracy-theorist-slur-cia-propaganda/
Published: Sep 4, 2019
Author: Kevin Ryan
Post Date: 2019-09-14 13:55:02 by Liberator
Keywords: CT, Gatekeeper, Tools
Views: 600
Comments: 110

The CIA’s Influence Over the Media: Use of the Conspiracy Theorist Slur

“Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th.”—George W. Bush, November 10, 2001

In April of 1967, a CIA official sent a memorandum dispatch to agency chiefs and stations. This memo described a strategy for discrediting critics of the Warren Report, the official account for the assassination of President Kennedy released in 1964. At the time of the memo, polls showed that 46% of Americans did not think that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, in contradiction to the official finding.

To counter such criticisms, the memo proposed labeling critics as “conspiracy theorists” and proposed that the CIA’s “propaganda assets” in media begin to use the slur and other, related techniques to marginalize critics.

Classified as Secret but finally released in 1998, the memo stated, “Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material for countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit circulation of such claims.”

The memo instructed media assets to discredit those questioning government reports by saying the critics should be depicted as “wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, hasty or inaccurate in their research, or infatuated with their own theories.”

Conspiracy Theorist: One Who Questions the Statements of Known LiarsPosted by Donna Cleveland on Flickr

The approach laid out by the memo was adopted by many in the American media. That’s not a surprise given that Operation Mockingbird, a domestic propaganda campaign aimed at promoting the views of the CIA within the media, was in full swing at the time. And despite official claims that the CIA’s influence of American media was halted in 1976, after the Church Committee findings, the continued use of the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” indicates that the practice has continued.

A few years ago, I tested this by checking how many times the phrase “conspiracy theory” had appeared in the Washington Post and the New York Times in the 45 years before and after the CIA memo.

Before the memo was issued, “conspiracy theory” was a phrase used 50 times, or about once per year, in the Times or the Post. In the 45 years after the CIA memo, these newspapers used the term 2,630 times, or about once per week.

Before the CIA memo came out, the Washington Post and New York Times had never used the phrase “conspiracy theorist.” After the CIA memo came out, they have used the phrase “conspiracy theorist” 1,118 times.

The continued use of terms such as “conspiracy theorist” suggests that the CIA still controls the mainstream media. With regard to the crimes of 9/11, The New York Times has led the way in terms of support for official propaganda. Moreover, many “alternative” media sources use these slurs as frequently, or more, than mainstream media do.

An example was in August 2011, when I was a guest on National Public Radio’s ‘On Point” talk show to discuss 9/11 skepticism. Interestingly, I was the only 9/11 skeptic invited to appear on this show about 9/11 skeptics. The other two guests were Jim Meigs from Popular Mechanics and dubious “truther expert” Jonathan Kay. During the show, I answered questions from the host for about 5 minutes, until it became clear that my skepticism of 9/11 sounded rational. After I was dismissed—for the remaining 42 minutes of the show—Meigs, Kay, and the substitute host rambled on about the evils of conspiracy theories, using some form of the phrase conspiracy theory a total of 85 times. That’s more than once every 30 seconds.

The use of “conspiracy theory” to deter citizens from investigating historic events is paradoxical, to be sure. It suggests that those who commit criminal conspiracies can only be relatively powerless people who happen to live on the most strategically important lands, (and conspiracies among rich, powerful people are impossible or absurd.) It’s just that kind of doublethink mindset that has led us to where we are today as a nation.

Of course, 9/11 was a conspiracy. The only question is was it a conspiracy of people who could not possibly pull it off and who would only suffer as a result.... OR ... Was it a conspiracy of the people who benefited and had the power to accomplish it? The first option presents many problems. Common sense suggests the latter.

These days, it seems that you can tell who is working for the CIA simply by the way they use “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” in attempts to belittle others. An example might be when a lawyer for gold mining companies was presented by the corporate media as a public servant/truth teller based on stolen documents that were never shared with the public. That lawyer and his colleagues at The Intercept use the conspiracy theorist slur as much as any other media source, and often when they are questioned about their dubious rise to fame.

In any case, our entire legal system is based on the idea of conspiracy....

...Yet despite this fact we have been conditioned by the government and the media to blindly accept official reports and to treat anyone questioning those reports as conspiracy theorists; THAT IS, YOU ARE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT'S CONSPIRACY THEORY.

This technique is easy to see. Next time you read an article that uses these slurs, look more closely at the author (or poster/gatekeeper/troll) and where he or she is trying to lead you.

SOURCE: Published at Digwithin by Kevin Ryan on 7/31/2019


Poster Comment:

Oh, the rich RICH irony. This same Alinsky "Rules For Radicals" technique that is used by Spooks, Gubmint & G00gle against "CT!!" to shut down legit discussion and truth without question WHILE discrediting their opponent:

"Racist!!", "Anti-semite!!", "H0mophobe!!", "Xenophobe!!"(blank]tard!!), "Truther!!" etc!).

This obvious semantic parlor-trick by a panicky unprincipled elite and its army of uninformed/ignorant gatekeepers are no longer able to dam-up 911 lies OR its a plethora of other ongoing accepted Big Lies.

Perhaps it's time to re-examine and re-assess what and whose side you support....and Big Picture Agenda. (1 image)

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#1. To: All (#0)

As those paying attention have noticed, the very real cabal of assorted PTB (Masons-Illuminati-Vatican-Jesuits-Talmudics-Etal) have directed its covert muscle (CIA) to order its lackeys in DC and Media to literally criminalize discussions of "Conspiracy Theorists" online. BUT IT'S TOO LATE. The Cat(s) is out of the bag.

Given PTB Cabal of One Worlders are rapidly losing complete control over several institutions (see Trump & Brexit & Orban & Putin) and several ongoing narratives, including it's deeper, darker secrets and under-belly exposed (as well as its ongoing hoaxes, thanks to the interweb's vast spread of previous hidden, buried, masked info), here' a question:

What will be their next desperate Operation/Big Lie/Distraction/Red Flag/Step?

Further Invasions of the West? (see "Kalergi Plan") War(s)? Disease & Epidemics? Gun Confiscation? Shutting down Internet Communications? Shutting down the Electric Grid? EMPs? De-Population?

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-14   14:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Liberator (#0)

"Racist!!", "Anti-semite!!", "H0mophobe!!", "Xenophobe!!"(blank]tard!!), "Truther!!" etc!).

You know, Deckard just posted a lovely thread yesterday from a site where you could really fit in.

They hate Jews, Mexicans, blacks, gays and they embrace 9/11 kook theories and - to my surprise - they seem to support Flat Earth theory too.

A veritable smorgasbord for all your preferred reading tastes.

Here's where they dip their toes in Flat Earth waters.

InfoStormer: India Fails to Land Spacecraft on the Moon

As some of you may or may not know, I have a great deal of skepticism about any of this space program nonsense. This extends beyond NASA and the Apollo moon landing missions which I personally believed were all faked in a film studio.

I know not everyone who reads this site agrees with this view, but that’s just how I feel. There’s just too much weird shit surrounding all of the space programs around the world for me to believe that any of this stuff is real.

This includes this recent mission to the moon by India which allegedly ended in failure.

CBS News:

In a crushing disappointment, India’s unmanned Vikram lander — carrying a small rover and the pride of a nation — apparently crash landed near the moon’s south pole Friday toward the end of a seemingly smooth descent.

With Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi looking on at the control center, the Indian Space Research Organization’s Vikram lander fired its braking rockets shortly after 4 p.m. ET, kicking off what was to have been a 15-minute descent to the surface.

The Chandrayaan-2 lander, carrying eight science instruments and a small, six-wheel rover known as Pragyan, or “Wisdom,” was to have spent two weeks in lunar daylight studying the moon’s polar environment in a mission seen as a demonstration of India’s increasingly sophisticated space prowess.

India is a country filled with millions of low IQ brown people many of who haven’t mastered the skill of shitting in a toilet. And we are expected to believe that they were able to launch a spacecraft that came close to landing on the moon but crashed at the last moment.

I just don’t believe any of this. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want. The whole thing seems like a charade to con people into thinking that these low IQ mud people are capable of achieving what White Europeans have been able to accomplish.

Not buying any of this. My assumption is that there will be a bunch of people debunking this supposed space mission on YouTube.

It's one-stop shopping for almost every kook theory you've ever heard of.

You should go sign up.

But even they have their downfalls. Look at how these ingrates criticize Prez Trump and his vape tweets.

InfoStormer: Donald Trump Issues Clarification on Proposed Vaping Ban

Donald Trump has issued a clarification on his proposed vaping ban. It looks as though he is okay with vaping as a cigarette alternative but just wants to get the unsafe counterfeit vaping shit off the market.

I personally find this totally unreasonable. As I’ve said before, many of my friends have died from vaping. They vaped for a single week and ended up dead.

Vaping products should be totally banned in all 50 states. We need to wage a war on vaping and integrate it into the totally successful war on drugs that Ronald Reagan waged in the 1980s.

People caught selling vaping products should be given the death penalty.

People caught vaping should be put in prison for the of their lives.

That is my official position on this. Children will die if we do not do this.

Maybe you can persuade them to ease up on the vaping=murder stuff.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-14   14:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)

Look at how these ingrates criticize Prez Trump

Ingrates? That's putting it mildly.

Infostormer is "a self- described “alt-right” website created by neo-Nazi Lee Rogers that features racist and anti-Semitic content."

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-15   9:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#3) (Edited)

Infostormer is "a self- described “alt-right” website created by neo-Nazi

Alt-right? I just consider this nazi bullshit.

The forum users for that site, feel that 70% of the prison population is made up by the 13% of the black population, because all blacks are niggers and worthless. This is not true, and most people that affix their opinions on a whole group, based on a unchangable factor, like just the color of their skin, is too fucking stupid to think deeper than they do.

I happen to subscribe that 70% of the prison population is made from the black population that is only 13% of this countries population because of a multitude of reasons regarding living conditions (inner cities), lack of parental influence, care and teaching.... along with other factors that add in.

Now, both will say the same shit, cause there are facts involved... that “blacks DO make up 70% of our prison pop”... and the left screams RACISM... and we conservatives are caught up with the nazi’s.

The left has the same problem with ANTIFA. They won’t publicly disavow that group because they make up a good portion of the socialist vote.

We need to be smarter. Make public statements that we don’t want the nazi vote... what harm would it cause? You think they’ll vote for any other?

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-15   9:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GrandIsland (#4)

I happen to subscribe that 70% of the prison population is made from the black population that is only 13% of this countries population because of a multitude of reasons regarding living conditions (inner cities), lack of parental influence, care and teaching.... along with other factors that add in.

I agree, but explaining the reasons doesn't change the fact that 70% of the prison population is made from the black population that is only 13% of this countries population.

Blacks are 8X more likely than whites to commit a violent crime. (I imagine it's even higher for black teens.) That's not my fault. I had nothing to do with that statistic.

So excuse me if I approach an encounter with a black person with a little more skepticism and caution.

That's not racism. That's just common sense.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-15   11:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland (#4)

The left has the same problem with ANTIFA.

Not really. ANTIFA formed in 2017, so their behavior can be excused as "a few members misbehaving".

Not like we've had decades of violence, riots, burning down cities, rapes, murders, mob actions, etc. That's hard to excuse and explain away as "a few bad apples".

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-15   11:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tool of Disinfo Derailing Threads, Guardian of Universe's Institional Lies, AKA, Tooconservative (#2) (Edited)

TooConservative: "My greatest pleasure in life: Killing the Messengers of Truth as Gatekeeper of Institutional Lies."

You're STILL fooling no one.

Suggestion: Instead of your comically predictable-programmed and immediate panicky reaction of lamely attempting to derail threads and shilling for/kneeling on the altar of your masters at the Masonic Lodge, perhaps you can try ADDRESSING THE CHARGE (HINT: located IN the thread.) Until your usual antics are changed, your response merely reinforces your clear function as a cartoon-"conservative" (ha -- "TOO" Conservative??) , Thread-Troll, Forum Gatekeeper, and shill of institutional lies.

Btw, your formatting is very pretty. It emphasizes your trademark posting of inter-forum gossip and the presentation of style over substance.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-15   12:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#2)

Maybe you can persuade them to ease up on the vaping=murder stuff.

Lame attempt at derailment of this thread. Even for you.

Put down your 'Gatekeeper-Troll Monthly' magazine and 'Masonic Instructions' manual just for a second....

Have you any opinion on THIS claim:

'The CIA’s Influence Over the Media: Use of the Conspiracy Theorist Slur'

Thought not.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-15   12:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#3)

Thread Title:

The CIA’s Influence Over the Media: Use of the Conspiracy Theorist Slur

Come on -- I know you can do it MW!

Instead of taking TooMasonic's obvious derailment bait, can YOU weigh in on the sourced claim?

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-15   12:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GrandIsland (#4)

I just consider this nazi bullshit....We need to be smarter.

Being "smarter" starts with mental discipline and focusing on legit content -- NOT having your brain so easily manipulated by Gatekeepers of Lies (as well as those of the CIA.)

We all may not like sources with which we disagree, but the truth-is-truth. WHAT OF ANY OF THE CLAIMS? Any opinions?

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-15   12:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All, A K A Stone (#10)

If you folks want to know why this forum is stale and a sad shadow of its past self, look no further than this thread and how easily the subject matter was immediately derailed.

As long as the forum Pied Piper/Troll of Thread Derailment and self-annointed Gatekeeper of Institutional Lies trolls and trashes any truth-discussion, this place will remain a cemetery of open exchange of discussion and dissemination of truth (outside the Institutional Lie Orthodoxy).

If the consensus here is that you are content to discuss and debate any subject -- as long as it can be found at any MSM "approved" outlet, than good luck with that.

*yawn*

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-15   12:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#5)

So excuse me if I approach an encounter with a black person with a little more skepticism and caution.

Dicktard doesn’t have a grasp on this concept... or he’d understand why the police don’t wait until they are getting shot at or stabbed... to shoot a Black Lies Matters scumbag that wasn’t raised to fucking LISTEN TO DIRECTION

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-15   13:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#9)

The lightweight article didn't interest me. Tooconservative's comment did. Had he not commented, I wouldn't have posted.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-15   13:40:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GrandIsland (#4)

Alt-right? I just consider this nazi bullshit.

They ain't us and we ain't them.

You can see why they want to blend in and be considered part of the Right. But, unlike Antifa and its many libmedia and lib defenders, the rest of us on the Right want nothing to do with these Nazi/KKK types. Never have, never will.

I accept some of the alt-right types like Proud Boys as worth defending. But not Nazis/KKK.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-15   13:46:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#10)

Where I disagree is this. Of course a small amount of content and a few accurate facts are contained in this forums articles.... BUT, those few favorable things are mixed with a slanted and bias journalistic styles, designed for a personal AGENDA... just like every article posted on YAHOO NEWS.

There is absolutely NO need to post or spread AGENDA driven propaganda WHEN there are less bias articles, written on the same incident, available.

An example, was the article Dicktard posted a few days ago regarding an Orange County Deputy that shot himself, while training”. His article had one purpose, to report police in a bad light... and it was empty of any detail or fact. Within seconds I found ten articles that had much more facts and content.

Posting SHIT, will run off, people that don’t wanna be associated with shit.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-15   13:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#14)

the rest of us on the Right want nothing to do with these Nazi/KKK types. Never have, never will.

Those that represent the RIGHT, need to be louder and prouder about that message.

Example, I’d love for Trump to announce at his next rally, if you are neo nazi or the KKK, I DON’T WANT YOUR FUCKING VOTE. Vote for the (D)’s.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-15   13:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#16)

Example, I’d love for Trump to announce at his next rally, if you are neo nazi or the KKK, I DON’T WANT YOUR FUCKING VOTE.

I understand the sentiment and other GOP nominees and candidates have gone in that direction. I think Ronald Reagan once stated emphatically that, "they may support me but I don't support them."

I think Trump's messaging is just about right. Watching him has made me recalibrate my estimates on political messaging entirely. Trump has kinda rewritten the rule book in many ways.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-15   14:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Liberator (#1) (Edited)

About the Freemasons?

Most are prior military.

Most are respected family men.

They rise through ranks by being active and learning lines in the LARP they engage in.

Leadership is elected.

The square and compass represent becoming better men.

Now why......would any evil organization insist to join you need someone to vouch for your character, (they need to before you join.) then, want you to be better men, then, as your commitment to the organization gets rewarded assuming you also have leadership qualities, would you expect those people to become bad?

And please, show me any evidence of any Mason in the last 100 years who’s done any nefarious stuff. Having a secretary embezzle some cash doesn’t count. I’m talking about any truly nefarious shit.

The Masons leaders are just fellas who’ve been chosen by members to be leaders. There is NO other way to get there. This is NOT a recipe for evil, but rather, for good, given who becomes Masons.

Going back 140 years and finding a group who took the LARP a little too seriously and disappeared a member is not proof of a vast criminal organization bent on creating evil in the world, but rather, an emotional appeal based on pretty much zip.

I argue this all the time on VOAT, and to THAT audience, I always snarkily say it’s a way to say it’s whitey that’s behind all the evil in the world. That causes most there to question their beliefs, which are based on mostly just fantasy anyways.

One would think, with all the shit they’re blamed for, there would be some Hillary, or Epstein level proof, instead of what is trotted forth as truth. But nah, it’s very thin.

'What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?'

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2019-09-15   18:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dead Culture Watch (#18)

And please, show me any evidence of any Mason in the last 100 years who’s done any nefarious stuff. Having a secretary embezzle some cash doesn’t count. I’m talking about any truly nefarious shit.

I'd like to reply to your comment...

In the truly nefarious shit category I'd like to nominate Billy Graham.

Seen here extending the Masonic handshake to Harry Truman.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/images/acodex_93.jpg

There's plenty more on Graham where that came from.

Do I believe the accusations of molestation made against Graham? Yes, I do.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1

watchman  posted on  2019-09-16   12:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: watchman (#19)

Ok. So, Billy Graham was exactly what in Masonry? And links to molestation from him please.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. No evidence ever of anything. Just sliming people and then using that to ‘nudge, nudge, wink wink’ a whole agenda of world domination and evil.

Ya, it’s always whitey at the top. Please don’t look at (((bankers.)))

BTW, I believe operation mockingbird is alive and well. So, I’m on board the thrust of article. I do find it real odious to slime a group of people who don’t deserve it in the slightest though.

Can you actually address the structure and the membership and how that completely destroys the argument they are evil?

I do know one thing. If there is ever a EOTWAWKI happening, I’m bee lining straight to the Mason friends I have. Ones a retired LT Colonel, and almost all are prior military and have the nicest guns and huge supply of ammo. They’ve been Masons for many years, and are 32nd degreed.

Hell, my brother is currently Worshipful Master of one of the oldest lodges in this state. He’s 20 years in military as well.

The best people I know are Masons. Not exactly who I would want even remotely close to evil shit due to the absolutely fantastic morals they have. The argument makes zero sense if you knew them.

It’s absurd.

'What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?'

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2019-09-16   14:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#13) (Edited)

The lightweight article didn't interest me.

Lol. Chyeah, right. CIA policy to subvert the truth through MSM propaganda and other American institutions it controls -- along with a hundred related tangents, is "lightweight" stuff? Yet it's TooCartoonitive's usual change of distraction and subject (and formatting of it in a pretty baby-blue box) is what *you* found "interesting."

You're usually fearless on weighing in with your opinion. But if those kinds of shiny keys and soggy white-bread pab stimulate your intellect instead of meat, then it apparently speaks to both of you sharing a similar...er... mind-set.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-16   15:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#15)

Thanks for responding. Respect.

Where I disagree is this. Of course a small amount of content and a few accurate facts are contained in this forums articles.... BUT, those few favorable things are mixed with a slanted and bias journalistic styles, designed for a personal AGENDA... just like every article posted on YAHOO NEWS.

The old saying, "Don't toss out the baby with the bathwater" applies here...

I get it, I am guilty of some of the same reactions when merely reading a title of sites or sources with which I suspect a subversive/Left agenda or having a personal axe to grind. Yes -- exactly like Yahoo.

That said, one of the hardest things for us to do is just that; discipline ourselves from rejecting a knee-jerk instinct to immediately discard content because the source may have an over-riding agenda that we don't support and *instead* sift through the truth -- as you said you had. Truth = Truth. There happens to be a lot to unpack in this story because the Spooks have carte blanche to do whatever they want. Including Outlaw Stuff. So what do we do then? Maybe take those morsels of truth and build on them elsewhere. Few people or sources have ALL *the* truth.

There is absolutely NO need to post or spread AGENDA driven propaganda WHEN there are less bias articles, written on the same incident, available.

Are you referring to this one specifically?

IF you are, I disagree whole-heartedly. I have seen very few articles which actually document an ongoing and very real and damning policy by the top of the CIA to seed lies in order to control the spread of truth. You're NOT going to hear about that even from Hannity.

Why wouldn't the official 911 narrative still be suspicious? And why wouldn't the Main Alphabet Agency be Suspect #1? None of the kooky explanations make sense till this day. Not even the "Blue Ribbon Panel" bought the explanations.

Isn't it the most powerful people on earth who simply do what they want? Their "currency" is power. It enables them to wield complete control including control the message. Most crimes have a motive. Some even have multiple motives. Here is just one regarding that day:

An example, was the article Dicktard posted a few days ago regarding an Orange County Deputy that shot himself, while training”. His article had one purpose, to report police in a bad light... and it was empty of any detail or fact. Within seconds I found ten articles that had much more facts and content.

GI, look -- you know, I know, and even Deckard knows our views are sometimes similar, then 180 degrees apart depending on the issue. On most Po-Po articles we don't agree. FWIW...I don't think that particular story is worthy or indicative of most LE at all. It's the exception.

Posting SHIT, will run off, people that don’t wanna be associated with shit.

That's because it's an isolated incident and an anecdotal outlier. It's not about LE policy or an institutional epidemic of incompetence.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-16   16:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: GrandIsland (#16)

TooCartoonative: (..."the rest of us on the Right want nothing to do with these Nazi/KKK types. Never have, never will.")

Those that represent the RIGHT, need to be louder and prouder about that message.

Example, I’d love for Trump to announce at his next rally, if you are neo nazi or the KKK, I DON’T WANT YOUR FUCKING VOTE. Vote for the (D)’s.

That's just BS another tangent TC just made up in order to distract you from thinking about the ACTUAL STORY and move you off the spot.

Example:

Onlookers outside a mall pointing to two mushroom clouds exploding on the horizon: "LOOK!! OMG!! WHO DID THIS?!! WHAT SHOULD WE DO??! WHERE SHOULD WE GO??"

TC: "I HOPE OUR RESTAURANT'S EARLY-BIRD SPECIAL OF CHICKEN RISOTTO AND MUSHROOM ISN'T AFFECTED. (*yawn*) OH THE MUSHROOM CLOUD...MEH...IT'S PROBABLY JUST A BAR-B-Q GRILL PROBLEM...WHICH REMINDS ME -- DID YOU HEAR ABOUT BILL O'REILLY's NEW LAWSUIT?...."

Btw -- "KKK"?? "Nazi-types"?? Lol...total and absolute phantom-bullshit story/issue that exists ONLY in the fevered CT minds of MSNBC, CNN, and...TooCartoonative. Here's a legit question that could be asked of TRUMP: "Can you please look into the un-regulated, un-questioned Black Spook Budget for cuts?"

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-16   16:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dead Culture Watch (#20)

No evidence ever of anything.

The photograph is really all I need. The image of Graham/Truman caps off more than thirty years of listening to other Christians telling me that Graham is a mason. Those of us in the local churches have heard this for decades, and ignored it for just as long. The photograph, that ain't no lie. It's black and white.

As for the molestation accusations, those come from Fiona Barnett, who lists Graham as one of her abusers when she was a child.

I would normally take anything like Barnett's claims with a grain of salt. If she were ritualistically abused as a child she would naturally be messed up in her thinking. And, it is just her word against a famous preacher.

However, the final straw for me concerning Billy Graham and his fraudulent ministry...was Franklin Graham's visit to Voodoo Donuts. This was real. Like father, like son. If you are unfamiliar with Voodoo Donuts you can find out more on Barnett's own website.

https://pedophilesdownunder.com/2018/08/06/franklin-graham-supports-voodoo-doughnut-child-traffickers/

My goal is not to slime anyone, but simply show Graham (and son) for what he is... a false teacher who deliberately hid his masonic beliefs from us to become the highest leader of the evangelical church. All based on lies.

watchman  posted on  2019-09-16   17:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Dead Culture Watch (#18)

Most are prior military.

Most are respected family men.

They rise through ranks by being active and learning lines in the LARP they engage in.

Leadership is elected.

The square and compass represent becoming better men.

That's one perspective.

I won't challenge your *personal* experience with the "brothers" and the purported exoteric image, goals, and benevolence. That is what it is. It's the esoteric that is darker. MUCH darker.

Of those who take it and its "promotions" to higher degrees, the whole Masonic experience changes. The oaths and loyalty is to "The Light." And no, *this* "Light" is NOT God.

Now why......would any evil organization insist to join you need someone to vouch for your character, (they need to before you join.) then, want you to be better men, then, as your commitment to the organization gets rewarded assuming you also have leadership qualities, would you expect those people to become bad?

Few orgs are "evil" right out of the box; Who would join in that case? Trust and secrecy is of utmost importance for orgs with certain philosophies and agendas to mask or hide. Again, the exoteric or apparent-to-the-outside reputation and policy/agenda IS benevolent in most cases. Yup. Adult Boy-Scout stuff. It has to be. Lower-degree Masons are satisfied and even find fulfillment and respect from their accomplishments and good deeds....

But again -- as what happens with most agencies or organization with power (i.e. Military/LE/Feebs & Spooks/Govt/Business/Corporations/Churches/Synagogues//"Societies", the lower & level/grunts do all the heavy lifting, unaware of what's happening higher up the food-chain.

It is the UPPER-ECHELON of control who direct the esoteric, mysterious/hidden agenda. You know this -- the grunts have NO idea what the General Staff, Presidents, Boards, Judiciaries (Yes ESPECIALLY judiciaries) and Czars are doing or planning.

At the higher level of Freemasonry, the action supports what it is: A Mystery Religion whose goal is Ultimate Secret Knowledge; One that worships "The Light." The Sun. Lucifer. Look it up. Test everything yourself. Don't believe me, DCW. (*I* could have an "agenda.")

And please, show me any evidence of any Mason in the last 100 years who’s done any nefarious stuff. Having a secretary embezzle some cash doesn’t count. I’m talking about any truly nefarious shit.

Secretarial embezzlement -- we wish.

Evidence? Up the wazoo out there. I'll submit stuff and links to you IF you really want to go there. Goes waaay back. Much further than just 100 years.

The Masons leaders are just fellas who’ve been chosen by members to be leaders. There is NO other way to get there. This is NOT a recipe for evil, but rather, for good, given who becomes Masons.

Yes, benevolent. At least exoterically speaking, from all appearances. I understand there's an election for leadership. As to possible abetting of nefarious activities or "evil" at any specific Lodge, I can't say. However, the Masonic agenda IS evolving nonetheless. And btw, ever wonder why so many of the rich and their Orgs always have their Foundations and Charities to help people? Some believe...it gives them public cover. Guess what? It does.

If an org or individual gives a million dollars to a Children Hospital, who is gonna really to a forensic exam on their life? Robert Kraft (owner of the NE Patriots football team) took many of his players to Israel over the summer to walk The Holy Land. (Coincidence he did this just after he was busted THEN exonerated for soliciting prostitutes and possibly under-age girls?)

Going back 140 years and finding a group who took the LARP a little too seriously and disappeared a member is not proof of a vast criminal organization bent on creating evil in the world, but rather, an emotional appeal based on pretty much zip.

What's "LARP"?

I argue this all the time on VOAT, and to THAT audience, I always snarkily say it’s a way to say it’s whitey that’s behind all the evil in the world. That causes most there to question their beliefs, which are based on mostly just fantasy anyways.

("VOAT"??)... "Whitey's Fault"; Whole different subject and issue I can weigh in on....

One would think, with all the shit they’re blamed for, there would be some Hillary, or Epstein level proof, instead of what is trotted forth as truth. But nah, it’s very thin.

Remember -- What we see as "News" is controlled by just SIX corporations. Child's Play to control whatever narrative they want...which is exactly why THEY (The PTB cabals and their lackeys) DESPERATELY NEED TO DISCREDIT INTERNET SOURCES AS "CT!!"

Fwiw, my favorite fearless MSM "Truther" is Tucker @ FNC. Lou Dobbs and Judge Jennine occasionally speak truth. But limited of course. Everybody else has yuge NO-GO News Zones or are controlled-oppo to various degrees.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-16   17:18:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: watchman (#24)

Yup. Fiona Barrett. Amazing story and courage...AND research.

Billy was a high-ranking Mason from what I've read.

Graham's son is also badly tainted...sadly. I also can confirm Franklin's Voodoo Donut photo AND his sick tweets.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-16   17:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Dead Culture Watch (#20) (Edited)

BTW, I believe operation mockingbird is alive and well. So, I’m on board the thrust of article. I do find it real odious to slime a group of people who don’t deserve it in the slightest though.

There IS big difference between members who are ignorant or oblivious of an Org's Agenda and acts.

Once one does know what's supported at the top of the food chain, are they obligated morally to back out? Or instead consider themselves so far removed from "the action" while using membership out of making a living or group-friendship and helping others that it's ok? (just asking rhetorically).

For proof of the difference between Grunts and "Brass," look no further than the varied way police depts are run in say Portland and...elsewhere. Same of the GOP. Same of the Court system. Same of the military "leadership", etc.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-16   17:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Liberator (#21)

CIA policy to subvert the truth through MSM propaganda

Subvert the "truth" about 9/11? And what "truth" might that be?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-16   17:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite, Liberator (#28)

CIA policy to subvert the truth through MSM propaganda

Subvert the "truth" about 9/11? And what "truth" might that be?

Their policy is to subvert the truth about pretty much everything.

(Former) CIA Director William Casey: "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false".

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-16   19:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#26)

Billy was a high-ranking Mason from what I've read.

Graham and Ruth Bell were married on a Friday the 13th, at a night wedding service...bizarre.

Graham's son is also badly tainted...

There is something terribly wrong with that visit to the donut shop. The logo on Franklin's donut box states "Good things come in pink boxes"

watchman  posted on  2019-09-16   19:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: watchman (#24)

This is absolutely hilarious. Sorry for being rude, it’s my natural state.

Ever see the episode of South Park with the underwear gnomes? That’s exactly what your thinking reminds me of.

Step one: steal underwear.

Step two: ?

Step three: profit!

What’s hilarious is you are equating one picture of two men, and a accusation, and using just that to put Masons on top of some ridiculous global conspiracy that is void of anything regarding any actual evidence of.

Your step two is so obvious.

Again, you deliberately avoid any discussion of any point I raise and instead serve up same old tired bullshit of, well, this guy was a Mason, and he did this, ergo, profit!

Am I talking to a wall here? Wasting my time? It’s pretty much the reason I only post a couple posts a year for the last 7 years or so.

If the damn Freemasons were so friggen evil, why don’t you, yes, you, infiltrate and expose this sinister world domination plan? Just become active, learn your lines, make friends, and make it known you want a larger role in organization. It’s NOT the Manhattan project.

Jeez, they’re even running ads for members since their numbers are cratering. What an evil group!

Seriously! But nah, all it ever is, is one person somewhere who was a Mason did something, or, in your case, was merely accused, and for you? That’s enough to flesh out crazytown.

I need to start a crazy group and expose all those evil Episcopalians. Seriously, am sure there is just as much material to work with.

You do realize there have been millions of Masons in this country, right? You’re bound to find a few things some have done that ain’t cool. But, take a good, solid look where that takes you. Ya, I get it, your brain is pozzed with this, and you will never admit this whole pile of shit is what it is.

Pride is funny like that. Most times, all someone has to do to harden someone’s opinion is disagree with them. If they’ve been spouting this nonsense for years, it’s done. It’s like a terminal case. No coming back.

When you can admit to yourself you have no step 2, we can talk. I’ve already given examples of conspiracies that have real legs to them in Hillary, and Epstein.

Wish this place luck, hope that the improvements considered bring new faces. Would be nice for you guys.

'What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?'

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2019-09-16   19:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#27)

Dood. You entirely gloss over the “top of the foodchain”.

Those guys? They are ALL ELECTED. By other members, first, within their lodges, and then district, etc.

And don’t spout stuff about higher degrees. If you knew it was just about learning more lines in the LARP they put on once a week, you wouldn’t be saying that. It’s easy as hell to get to 32nd degree.

My brother may one day be in charge of the district, he’s very well liked. Why? Well, he was instrumental in starting the lodges yearly ‘pirate degree’ where, the LARP takes on a pirate theme for one night, and also, getting guest speakers that carry a lot of weight within the community of theirs to discuss going back to tradition in the group.

He also spends a lot of time at other lodges, and does a pilgrimage once a year to BFE in the eastern part of this state to the localized convention.

THAT is how one rises to the ‘top’ and becomes the super nefarious puppet master. It’s THE ONLY WAY. They are ALL voted on to get there. And leadership changes constantly.

It seems many just want to ignore their structure, the type of people in the group, what they try and do (become better men and give scholarships and to charities.) and cling to derp.

They are very good men, on the whole, from top to bottom. Not a breeding ground for evil. That is simply a fact.

'What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?'

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2019-09-16   20:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: All (#32)

Edit:

I hate coming across as ‘the voice of reason’, because to me, most of ‘those guys’ are full of shit and seek control over others, and dislike others freedom. Why? Probably because they’re miserable, and were not especially familiar or noticed by the fairer sex growing up.

This thread is NOT in my wheelhouse, lol.

'What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?'

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2019-09-16   20:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: watchman (#24)

However, the final straw for me concerning Billy Graham and his fraudulent ministry...was Franklin Graham's visit to Voodoo Donuts. This was real. Like father, like son. If you are unfamiliar with Voodoo Donuts you can find out more on Barnett's own website.

I'm not sure why Franklin Graham thought it was just fine to promote a donut shop with a witch-y sounding name that sells a lot of donuts with (allegedly humorous) names like Cock And Balls. Or Triple Chocolate Penetration, etc.

Graham and Ruth Bell were married on a Friday the 13th, at a night wedding service...bizarre.

Graham was America's most famous Baptist preacher. His wife was Presbyterian. When the children were born, they were baptized as infants.

I was suspicious of Graham over that, just as I was when he joined the World Council of Churches and wandered around praising the pope as the greatest living evangelist. When Graham was passed leadership of the most conservative fundamentalist group in the country at the beginning of his career, he repudiated the pledges he had made to keep their public profile fundamentalist. This was the beginning of the rise of evangelicalism to eventually crush the fundamentalist churches.

Graham was always a phony. He told quite a few major lies. He promoted himself by palling around with presidents, including the young alcoholic Bush Junior who he "saved" from alcoholism so he could become a good president like his daddy. Graham also planted his own volunteers in the audience of his televised rallies to come forward to be "saved", to make it look like his preaching was effective and that it was worthwhile for donors to continue sending him money to hold more rallies. Graham's preaching was strikingly weak and he had a noteworthy habit of chopping key doctrinal verses in half, leaving off the "bad half" that emphasized human guilt for sin and human responsibility to turn away from their own path of destruction. I called this "verse-chopping" and it characterizes Graham's preaching in my mind.

I do think there is enough evidence and testimony against Graham to believe credibly that he was a 33rd degree Mason. And that he concealed that and lied about it for decades.

I used to consider Graham more respectable than Falwell or Robertson. I've realized think that Falwell, an actual Baptist fundamentalist, was more honest about his positions and politics than Graham ever was. Robertson remains in the tank, another Benny Hinn type.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-17   5:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Dead Culture Watch (#32)

Those guys? They are ALL ELECTED. By other members, first, within their lodges, and then district, etc.

You mean, elected by other Satanic pedophiles?

Well, he was instrumental in starting the lodges yearly ‘pirate degree’ where, the LARP takes on a pirate theme for one night, and also, getting guest speakers that carry a lot of weight within the community of theirs to discuss going back to tradition in the group.

Going back to tradition? There is nothing traditional about America and there hasn't been for many years. Tell me, is there anyone under 70 attending these meetings?

He also spends a lot of time at other lodges, and does a pilgrimage once a year to BFE in the eastern part of this state to the localized convention.

I thought the state and national conventions were where the Satanic/Masonic (same thing really) pedophiles worship Satan by sacrificing children to their master, Satan. They lure those children into their hands by offering them Voodoo Donuts™ with sexually suggestive names and shapes. Next thing you know, little Johnny is on an altar with donut crumbs around his mouth with the high priest/33rd degree Mason standing over him with a knife dripping with his blood.

what they try and do (become better men and give scholarships and to charities.

Hush money to silence their surviving victims and pay off local authorities to suppress prosecution of their criminal acts.

Remember, kids, don't accept any donuts from a sleazy old dude with a funny little hat or strange costume.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-17   5:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: watchman, Liberator, Dead Culture Watch (#30) (Edited)

I knew the Masons and other men's clubs and orgs like Kiwanis and KoC and such were in decline but hadn't seen any numbers in recent years. So I thought I'd look those up. I'll include a table of members by state so you can better determine how much of a threat these donut-munching Satanic/Masonic pedophiles pose to your children and grandchildren.

Masonic Service Organization of North America: Masonic Membership Stats

Membership Totals since 1924

The Masonic Service Association has compiled the following table of totals of Master Masons in the United Sates Grand Lodges for the fiscal years indicated. These figures are based upon M.S.A. records and do not necessarily correspond exactly with those published by other sources.


YEARU.S. TOTAL YEARU.S. TOTAL YEAR U.S. TOTAL
19243,077,161 19564,053,323 19882,682,537
19253,157,566 19574,085,676 19892,608,935
19263,218,375 19584,099,928 19902,531,643
19273,267,241 1959**4,103,161 19912,452,676
19283,295,872 19604,099,219 19922,371,863
19293,295,125 19614,086,499 19932,293,949
19303,279,778 19624,063,563 19942,225,611
19313,216,307 19634,034,020 19952,153,316
19323,069,645 19644,005,605 19962,089,578
19332,901,758 19653,987,690 19972,021,909
19342,760,451 19663,948,193 19981,967,208
19352,659,218 19673,910,509 19991,902,588
19362,591,309 19683,868,854 20001,841,169
19372,549,772 19693,817,846 20011,774,200
19382,514,595 19703,763,213 20021,727,505
19392,482,291 19713,718,718 20031,671,255
19402,457,263 19723,661,507 20041,617,032
19412,451,301 19733,611,448 20051,569,812
19422,478,892 19743,561,767 20061,525,131
19432,561,844 19753,512,628 20071,483,449
19442,719,607 19763,470,980 20081,444,823
19452,896,343 19773,418,844 20091,404,059
19463,097,713 19783,360,409 2010
1,373,453
19473,281,371 19793,304,334 2011
1,336,503
19483,426,155 19803,251,528 2012
1,306,539
19493,545,757 19813,188,175 2013
1,246,241
19503,644,634 19823121,746 2014
1,211,183
19513,726,744 19833,060,242 2015
1,157,987
19523,808,364 19842,992,389 2016
1,117,554
19533,893,530 19852,914,421 2017*
1,076,626
19543,964,118 19862,839,962   
19554,009,925 19872,763,828   

NOTE: * Indicates lowest point, ** Indicates highest total, ***indicates estimated

U.S. Grand Lodges Membership

STATE2016 MEMBERSHIP2017 MEMBERSHIP GAIN/(LOSS)
ALABAMA23,31723,868551
ALASKA1,7201,635(85)
ARIZONA7,0306,828(202)
ARKANSAS 13,753 13,048(705)
CALIFORNIA50,69448,196(2,498)
COLORADO8,0997,676(423)
CONNECTICUT10,008 9,603(405)
DELAWARE4,291 4,095(196)
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA4,266 4,144(122)
FLORIDA36,777 35,494(1,283)
GEORGIA36,975 33,799(3,176)
HAWAII1,657 1,67013
IDAHO3,067 2,860(207)
ILLINOIS57,197 55,210(1,987)
INDIANA52,470 48,775(3,695)
IOWA16,897 15,978(919)
KANSAS17,304 16,427(877)
KENTUCKY36,21236,24533
LOUISIANA15,867 15,469(398)
MAINE17,250 16,478(772)
MARYLAND13,670 13,196(474)
MASSACHUSETTS28,34626,296(737)
MICHIGAN28,860 27,383(1,477)
MINNESOTA11,642 11,124(518)
MISSISSIPPI15,747 15,257(490)
MISSOURI36,100 34,012(2,088)
MONTANA4,768 4,530***(238)
NEBRASKA10,105 9,644(461)
NEVADA3,695 3,584(111)
NEW HAMPSHIRE5,321 5,088(233)
NEW JERSEY17,935 17,278(657)
NEW MEXICO4,094 3,551(543)
NEW YORK35,394 33,595(1,799)
NORTH CAROLINA39,312 38,173(1,139)
NORTH DAKOTA 2,774 2,752(22)
OHIO82,958 80,602(2,346)
OKLAHOMA20,641 19,594(1,047)
OREGON7,712 7,347(365)
PENNSYLVANIA99,245 97,822(1,423)
RHODE ISLAND3,000 2,943(57)
SOUTH CAROLINA33,694 32,191(1,503)
SOUTH DAKOTA5,327 5,022(305)
TENNESSEE35,930 34,858(1,072)
TEXAS71,665 70,590(1,075)
UTAH1,801 1,8076
VERMONT5,000 4,681(319)
VIRGINIA33,762 32,473(1,289)
WASHINGTON12,671 12,118(553)
WEST VIRGINIA18,67717,953(724)
WISCONSIN11,155 10,796(359)
WYOMING3,015 2,868(147)
TOTALS1,117,554 1,076,626(40,928)

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-17   6:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Tooconservative (#34)

I've realized think that Falwell, an actual Baptist fundamentalist, was more honest about his positions and politics than Graham ever was.

Falwell's son is in hot water now.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sex-and-self-dealing-welcome-to-jerry-falwell-jrs-liberty-university-2019-09-09

The thread has certainly wandered off topic. Just to nudge it back a little, the media did play a big role in Graham's popularity.

From wiki...

...William Randolph Hearst sent a telegram to all his newspaper editors: "Puff Graham." As a result, within five days Graham gained national coverage.With such media attention, the crusade event ran for eight weeks—five weeks longer than planned. Graham became a national figure. Henry Luce also promoted Graham with coverage at this time, and by 1954 featured him on the cover of his magazine TIME.

watchman  posted on  2019-09-17   7:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: watchman (#37) (Edited)

The problems with Graham started at the very beginning of his rise. I see you are also focused on that.

The rot with Billy Graham didn't start in the Eighties or Nineties. It was there at the very beginning. A lot of fundamentalist Baptists used to complain about Graham and his antics over the years, his claim to be a Baptist preacher (who had baptized his own children as infants), etc.

The warning signs were there all along. And the endless praise for Graham from the libmedia, certainly enemies of Christendom, wasn't exactly an honor for Graham. He was never hated for being a Christian at all. Instead he was praised as the kind of wishy-washy Christian leader who could Judas Goat the rest of the sheep into being submissive and obedient to the State.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-17   8:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite, Deckard, A K A Stone, Gatekeepers, ALL (#28)

Subvert the "truth" about 9/11? And what "truth" might that be?

Seriously??

Ok. Glad to be of service.

Here is an extremely thorough overview (in only 5 minutes) of the EXTENDED "truth", sloppy deception, and attempted burial of several truths regarding 911 and its aftermath.

If you or anyone else is still taking a "CT!!" position, please do go right ahead and try and refute ANY of this.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-17   11:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: All (#39)

(1) “Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th.”—George W. Bush, November 10, 2001

(2)...Classified as Secret but finally released in 1998, the memo stated, “Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization (@FOGGY BOTTOM), ....

(3) The continued use of terms such as “conspiracy theorist” suggests that the CIA still controls the mainstream media [in a desperate attempt to quash all truth -- while continuing to advance the elites' Fake News, Hoaxes, and Paranoia.]

The aim of this dispatch is to provide material for countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit circulation of such claims [OF TRUTH].”

(3)

Please be reminded of the ORIGINAL genesis of the pejorative terms, "Conspiracy Theorist" OR "Truther." RIGHT FROM THE SOURCE.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-17   11:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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