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Title: Ginger Baker, Cream’s legendary drummer, dies aged 80
Source: music radar
URL Source: https://www.musicradar.com/news/cre ... mmer-ginger-baker-dies-aged-80
Published: Oct 6, 2019
Author: Jonathan Horsely
Post Date: 2019-10-06 10:26:56 by Stoner
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The Cream drummer and co-founder Ginger Baker has died, aged 80. His death was confirmed on his Facebook page in a statement that said he “passed away peacefully” on Sunday morning. DON'T MISS

(Image credit: David Redfern/Redferns via Getty Images)

Ginger Baker, reluctant rock god

Baker had been in critically ill in hospital, and has had a series of health problems over the past few years, causing him to retire from the drum stool. Baker suffered from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, from years of smoking, and had osteoarthritis. In July 2016 he underwent open heart surgery. He also took a bad fall.

Baker was irascible, brilliant, a visionary. He took a jazz style and took it into rock, and his dynamic playing formed the backbone of one of the most-celebrated rock acts of the late 1960s.

Born Peter Edward Baker – and how uncanny that a man prone to eruptions should share a name with one of the world's preeminent volcanologists – he started playing the drums in his teens and took lessons from the great Phil Seamen.

Baker was fire made flesh

This grounding in the fundamentals of jazz drumming stood him in good stead and his first serious project came soon after, when he played alongside future Cream bandmate bassist/vocalist Jack Bruce in the Graham Bond Organisation. With Eric Clapton, the pair founded Cream in 1966.

If Baker and Bruce enjoyed a combustible relationship that ended the band within a couple of years, the tension certainly added a frisson of urgency to Cream’s arrangements. Baker’s drumming then made him a star. His use of two kick drums prefigured the double-kick drum approach ubiquitous in heavy metal, which may have horrified him.

Many things horrified him. Other people, mainly. Baker was fire made flesh. It’s part of his legend. The 2012 documentary, Beware Of Mr Baker, directed by Jay Bulger, saw Bulger live with Baker on his South African ranch while working on the famous Rolling Stone article The Devil And Ginger Baker, took its title from the sign outside Baker’s property. The documentary also gave the uninitiated an idea of Baker’s importance to rock music.

When Cream split in 1968, Baker and Clapton formed Blind Faith with Steve Winwood of Traffic on keyboards and vocals and Ric Grech from Family on bass, recording one album, playing a legendary debut show in front of 100,000 people in Hyde Park, London.

Baker further explored the nexus of jazz and rock with Ginger Baker’s Air Force. In 1971 he set up a studio in Lagos, Nigeria. He travelled across Africa, was the subject of filmmaker Tony Palmer’s documentary Ginger Baker In Africa, and amassed a knowledge of African rhythms.

He worked with an extraordinary array of musicians and worked in many different styles. Here was the man who played RnB with the Graham Bond Organisation and defined hard rock with Cream, and he played with Fela Kuti, Public Image Ltd, and Hawkwind.

Projects were often short-lived. Like BBM, a power-trio that saw a Baker and Bruce reunited in the company of Gary Moore for the 1994 blues-rock album Around The Next Dream.

Baker and Cream did play together again. In 2005, they performed a series of dates at New York’s Madison Square Garden and London’s Albert Hall. In the later years of his career, Baker played with Ginger Baker Jazz Confusion, playing as recently as 2015.


I saw Cream live in Huntington, WVa, I think around 1967. Pretty amazing.

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#1. To: Stoner (#0)

It seems the Sixties rockers and celebrities have hit their late 70's and early 80's and are dropping like flies.

Whatever happened to the classy rockers who all died young with a shotgun in their mouth or a hypodermic in their arm or screaming while the tour airplane crashed?

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Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-07   19:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stoner, Tooconservative (#0) (Edited)

I saw Cream live in Huntington, WVa, I think around 1967. Pretty amazing.

First song by Cream I ever listened to was when I was 16 or so and heard the song "Sunshine of Your Love" for the first time on CKLW-AM - The BIG 8 out of Windsor Canada. Like nothing I had ever heard before on the AM dial.

Interesting story about CKLW - Rosalie Trombley was the music director there for decades, the song "Rosalie" by Bob Seger was written about her.

You may have also heard the Thin Lizzy version.

Seger wrote it in frustration at not being able to get his songs played on CKLW at that time

Back to Baker...he started playing the drums in his teens and took lessons from the great Phil Seamen. I had to look him up - drummer for several English jazz combos in the 50's and 60's None of the names rang a bell, but I was intrigued and wondered how English jazz from that time period compared with American jazz performed by Brubeck, Parker, Miles, Quincy Jones and other "cool" jazz artists.

Never really took a close listen specifically to Ginger's drumming style. He's not insanely bombastic like Keith Moon or laid back and steady as a ticking watch like Ringo - his style was more akin to Charlie Watts but you really can't compare it to anyone.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-10-07   20:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#2)

Every time I read one of these old-rocker-now-dead articles, I keep wondering how Mick Jagger and Keith Richards are still alive. I assume they are just animatronic robots with a little flesh covering up the metal and other robot parts.

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So I am not alone. Lots of people regularly wonder how he's still (allegedly) alive.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-07   21:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)

I assume they are just animatronic robots with a little flesh covering up the metal and other robot parts.

I was thinking more along the lines of holograms.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-10-07   22:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#1) (Edited)

Whatever happened to the classy rockers who all died young with a shotgun in their mouth or a hypodermic in their arm or screaming while the tour airplane crashed?

Do a little searching on "The 27 Club", it intrigued me.

RIP, Mr. Baker. That was an interesting doc flick.
Got the Blu-ray of the Royal Albert Hall show a few years back. Cream still had it.

Another great entertainer gone. But I bet the fuckin' Clintons still walk the earth, right?

Hank Rearden  posted on  2019-10-09   20:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hank Rearden (#5)

Another great entertainer gone. But I bet the fuckin' Clintons still walk the earth, right?

Hitlery was getting pretty frisky this week, pretty much saying that she would be willing to run in 2020 if only someone asked her to.

But no one is asking her to. Not even Bill.

Her comment came after President Trump suggested she jump in the race to “steal it away from Uber Left Elizabeth Warren.”

“Only one condition,” Trump added. “The Crooked one must explain all of her high crimes and misdemeanors including how & why she deleted 33,000 Emails AFTER getting “C” Subpoena!”

Clinton responded, not to tempt her.

Don’t tempt me. Do your job.— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) October 8, 2019

Commenting on the exchange during her interview with Woodruff, the former secretary of state said the tweet was “just so typical of him.”

“Nothing has been more examined and looked at than my emails. We all know that. He’s either lying or delusional or both … so maybe there does need to be a rematch. Obviously I can beat him again,” she said. 

"But, seriously, I don’t understand, I don’t think anyone understands, what motivates him other than personal grievance, other than seeking adulation," Clinton wondered. “I said during the campaign, there was no other Donald Trump. What you saw was what you were going to get, and I think a lot of Americans understandably thought, oh, no, that can’t possibly be the case. Once he’s in office, he will certainly moderate his behavior. Well, we see, no, he hasn’t.”

It made me so happy when Trump called Hitlery the Crooked One in public. So we have Bill (the Bent One) and Hitlery (the Crooked One). Sounds pretty accurate to me.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-09   21:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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