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Title: National Debt Is $122 Trillion, Not $23 Trillion, Says Non-profit Group
Source: New American
URL Source: https://www.thenewamerican.com/econ ... d=6f42c7dec5&mc_eid=d6b14bcb16
Published: Feb 27, 2020
Author: Bob Adelmann
Post Date: 2020-02-27 07:52:32 by IbJensen
Keywords: None
Views: 144
Comments: 9

When Epoch Times’ Mark Tapscott checked the U.S. Treasury’s “Debt to the Penny” website on Monday, he reported that the U.S. national debt just ticked over to $23.3 trillion. That’s four times what it was 20 years ago.

Tapscott then checked in with the Chicago-based nonprofit advocacy group Truth in Accounting (TIA) to get a more accurate reading. Said Bill Bergman, the group’s director of research, the Treasury misses the real national debt by $100 trillion, explaining that “the U.S. Treasury does not include the unfunded obligations for Social Security and Medicare.”

That’s because those obligations can only be counted when they become liabilities. And because Congress can change the law at any time, said Bergman, the Treasury gets to hide the real numbers. Said Bergman, “The reasoning has been that the government controls the law, and can change it any time.”

An actuary from Social Security spelled out the deception at a public hearing in 2007: “[It is] the government’s right and ability to alter potential future benefits. Until benefits become due and payable, there is no binding commitment over which a worker has control, and so no liability can be recognized.”

Even that $122 trillion number is suspect, according to Boston University professor Laurence Kotlikoff. In an interview with Joseph Lawler, editor of RealClearPolicy, Kotlikoff measured the “fiscal gap” — a tool used for generational accounting purposes — to conclude that the real national debt is closer to $222 trillion. Said Kotlikoff, “That’s what we economists call the fiscal gap.… What you have to do is look at the present value of all the [government’s promises from] now through the end of time … all projected expenditures including servicing the national debt. And [then] you subtract all the projected taxes. The present value of the difference is $222 trillion.”

That conversation took place eight years ago, in 2012.

When the credit ratings agency Standard & Poor’s downgraded the country’s credit rating one notch, from AAA to AA+, on August 5, 2011, it explained:

The downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon.

Three days later, Terry McGraw, the chairman of McGraw Hill (which owned Standard & Poor’s at the time), received a phone call from then-Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. Geithner told McGraw that “S&P’s conduct would be looked at very carefully. Such behavior would not occur.”

Two years later, the U.S. Treasury exacted its retribution from S&P by suing it for fraud.

The message delivered was clear. As Tyler Durden, writing in ZeroHedge in 2014, expressed it, “None of this comes as a surprise, and it has been well-known for a long time that the only reason the U.S. Department of Justice targeted only S&P and not Moody’s or Fitch [which kept their ratings of U.S. Treasury debt at AAA] … is precisely due to Geithner’s vendetta with S&P.”

Added Durden, “Of course, this kind of selective punishment simply means that nobody else will dare to touch the U.S. ratings ever again, or speak badly against the sovereign in a public medium, for fears of retaliation.”

The question remains: How much longer can this go on? And how will it end?

Some are suggesting that the mechanism of inflating the currency presently in place at the Federal Reserve will, over time, reduce the future value of the outstanding obligations to a more manageable size.

Others are suggesting that eventually the U.S. Treasury will be forced to declare bankruptcy when no more buyers for its debt can be found. But that is a long time in the future, simply because U.S. government debt remains “the cleanest dirty shirt on the line” — when compared to other sovereign debt around the world, U.S. treasuries remain the best of a bad lot.

Still others, such as economist and author John Mauldin, are predicting a “Great Reset.” Explains Mauldin:

We are coming to a period I call the Great Reset. As it hits, we will have to deal, one way or another, with the largest twin bubbles in the history of the world: global debt, especially government debt, and the even larger bubble of government promises….

All that debt cannot be repaid under current arrangements, nor can those promises ultimately be kept. There is simply not enough money and not enough growth, and these bubbles continue to grow.

At some point, we’re going to have to deal with these issues, and restructure everything.

One thing is certain: Kotlikoff’s “fiscal gap” cannot expand forever without consequences. The place to start is to know just how large that gap really is.


Poster Comment:

What about the States and other municipalities?. There are cities around ths US that have had to declare bankruptcy because their retirement obligations for retired employees, police and fire did not have enough left over for the present employees let alone services like filling pot holes. And all of it is a good reminder that everything coming from govt is merely a promise that can be denied at any moment for any reason. My understanding that all of the unfunded liabilities for CA including it's cities and counties is several trillion. Every cent of this is an IOU against the lives of the clueless idiots, thanks to govt education, who are being told they should get everything free.

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#1. To: IbJensen (#0)

National Debt Is $122 Trillion, Not $23 Trillion, Says Non-profit Group

I'm thinking that those not bothered by a $23 trillion debt will not be bothered by a $122 trillion debt. No need to inflate the number.

misterwhite  posted on  2020-02-27   9:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

I'm thinking that those not bothered

How bothered am I supposed to be, Misterwhite? Should I pace the floor and ring my hands? Clutch some pearls? Faint, perhaps?

This is what God says about debt...

Let no debt remain outstanding... Romans 13:8a

The wicked borrows and does not repay... Psalm 37:21a

The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower becomes the lender’s slave. Proverbs 22:7

My Christian parents taught me that debt was a bad thing. I heeded their wisdom. And have taught my kids the same truth.

Too bad this nation is no longer a Christian nation, eh? By that, I mean a nation that is influenced by Christian graces. The Bible is chock full of sound money management.

watchman  posted on  2020-02-27   11:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: watchman (#2)

How bothered am I supposed to be, Misterwhite?

Well, if you're one of those bothered by a $23 trillion debt there's no reason to inflate that number to $122 trillion.

misterwhite  posted on  2020-02-27   11:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#3)

The amount has reached surreal proportions.

It was easier to worry about it when the number was smaller:-/

What can any one person do? Any ideas?

watchman  posted on  2020-02-27   11:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: watchman (#4)

" What can any one person do? Any ideas? "

Not a lot, but keep it simple:

Avoid debt. DO NOT vote for politicians that support more debt, or unnecessary spending.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2020-02-28   10:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Stoner (#5)

Unfortunately, there is nothing but "politicians that support more debt", from either Party. Nobody is riding herd on the national deficit, let alone proposing solutions to pay down the National Debt...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2020-02-28   10:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: IbJensen, NYC Bernie Bro Socialists, Democrat Socialist Trump, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, James Brown (#0)

It's the Big Nanny State Socialists, stupid.

Democrat Socialist libtards



Ron Paul - Lake Jackson Texas Values

Hondo68  posted on  2020-02-28   12:01:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Stoner (#5)

DO NOT vote for politicians that support more debt

Added Durden, “Of course, this kind of selective punishment simply means that nobody else will dare to touch the U.S. ratings ever again, or speak badly against the sovereign in a public medium, for fears of retaliation.”

The message delivered was clear.

Judging by the phone call that Terry McGraw received (and the wopping $1.357 billion dollar settlement S&P had to pay) for merely telling the truth about the country's credit rating, I doubt we will hear much real talk about the national debt, for or against.

keep it simple: Avoid debt.

You've got that right Stoner. Preparing myself and my family for a diminished life style...that's the way we go about living these days.

watchman  posted on  2020-02-28   12:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: watchman (#8)

Here is another idea:

Hang every politician that has voted for spending that was un constitutional !!!

NO EXCEPTIONS !!

HANG EM ALL !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2020-02-29   21:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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